Monday, March 09, 2009

Insurance firms with links to Scottish Government threaten legal challenge against Holyrood on asbestos claims reforms

richard keen qcDean of Faculty Richard Keen QC to fight asbestos claims law. Insurance firms and lawyers who have strong financial relationships with the Government and the Scottish Parliament, have teamed up in an attempt to defeat through the courts, the Damages (Asbestos-Related Conditions) (Scotland) Bill, expected to be passed this week at Holyrood, which will allow victims of asbestos related illnesses to claim compensation from insurers for suffering such conditions as lung scars, which are an indication of exposure to asbestos.

The Edinburgh legal firm of Brodies has been called in by several insurance companies, identified in the Sunday Herald newspaper as AXA, Norwich Union, RSA and Zurich, to mount a judicial review legal challenge to the Damages (Asbestos-Related Conditions) (Scotland) Bill, which goes through Parliament this week. The insurers legal position is that the legislation proposed will allow people to claim compensation who suffer from ailments associated with asbestos exposure, which the insurers currently don't classify as harmful.

Richard Keen as you all know, appeared in the media only a few weeks ago demanding that class actions be allowed in Scotland against banks, however I take it that class actions for the victims of asbestos claims are not included in his thinking at the time.

I wrote a previous article on the Parliamentary hearings, which saw lawyers representing the legal profession attempt to argue that ‘pleural plaques’, a condition which indicates exposure to asbestos, was “good for you”, here : Insurance lawyers argue against laws to help asbestos victims asserting part of their suffering 'is a good thing'

Law Society of ScotlandLaw Society’s insurers threaten Parliament. It is of note that two of those Insurers - Royal Sun Alliance (RSA) and Norwich Union are backers of the Law Society of Scotland's infamously corrupt Master Insurance Policy, which insures every member of the Scots legal profession including the dean of faculty himself, all other advocates, and even the legal firm of Brodies, who themselves have been caught up in claims made by clients against their negligence cover.

You can read more about the Law Society’s Master Insurance Policy here : The Master Insurance Policy, Marsh UK & corrupt practices by insurers of the Scots legal profession

A legal insider who was approached for comment said "It is true that all advocates are part of the Master Policy, although it is generally left to individual advocates to arrange their own Indemnity Insurance cover, albeit through the same firm. It is fair to say the dean of faculty is probably insured by the same insurers now challenging the asbestos claims legislation".

On being asked for his thoughts on revelations the same insurers deal with Government, he said : "It is my understanding that Marsh also arrange insurance cover for many public institutions, including Government. This insurance cover will also be underwritten by many of the same insurance firms who are affected in the asbestos damages bill now before Holyrood."

ScottishGovernmentScots Govt pays millions to insurers now threatening legal action. The Master Policy, run by Marsh UK, a subsidiary of the US Insurance giant Marsh, which itself has been caught up in insurance fixing scandals, amazingly shares among its clients, the current SNP controlled Scottish Government, which pays out millions of pounds of public money in Professional Indemnity Insurance cover for all Government Departments, many public bodies & quangos, and also the Justice Department's 'goliath' Government Legal Service for Scotland, staffed by 175 seriously well paid lawyers who under Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill, also get their huge insurance subscriptions paid as expenses perks by the taxpayer.

You can read more about the Government Legal Service for Scotland (GLSS) and exactly what contribution they make to us here : Scottish Government's £10m in-house lawyers make their mark against legal reforms & public access to justice

scotparliScottish Parliament also has links to insurers. Even the Scottish Parliament itself is not immune from associations with the insurers who are now challenging the legislation to help asbestos victims. The 13 lawyers assigned to the Scottish Parliament from the GLSS are also themselves insured by the same insurers who are threatening legal action against Holyrood, and several departments of the Scottish Parliament also allegedly rely on insurance services provided by Marsh UK and the RSA for their own indemnity insurance !

An official from a consumer organisation today who declined to be named said : "One could speculate a great deal on whether such involvement at all levels of government by a single insurance firm, or cartel of insurers, may give rise to the conclusion by some there is an inherent conflict of interest going on, which may lead to ineffective or badly worded legislation being passed, or a general lack of will on the part of politicians to do the right thing for consumers, on the basis they don't want to upset their services provided by the Insurance community."

So, we have a situation where the same insurers who are now threatening legal action against Parliament to prevent asbestos sufferers receiving compensation, are at the same time, receiving millions of pounds in taxpayers money from Government, the Parliament, and many public authorities in Scotland, to ensure protection against financial claims for wrongdoing or negligence in public office. Is that right ? Is this an acceptable state of affairs ?

Is it ethical to pay millions of pounds of taxpayers money to the same insurers who are fighting proposals of reforms in the legislative process which are designed to make life better for those who are suffering fatal illness ?

Let us remind ourselves of the arguments put forward by the insurance companies lawyers in Parliament against asbestos sufferers :

Scots lawyers argue ‘asbestos related illnesses are good for you’ :

From the Sunday Herald :

Insurance giants to challenge new asbestos legislation

Firms will fight move to allow Scottish workers to claim £50m in damages

By Tom Gordon, Scottish Political Editor

BRITAIN'S BIGGEST insurers are planning an unprecedented legal challenge to a new law which would allow Scots workers to sue for asbestos exposure.

Four firms are preparing to seek a judicial review of the legislation, which is expected to pass its final stage at Holyrood on Wednesday with over-whelming cross-party support.

The law is designed to give workers the right to seek compensation for scars on the lung known as pleural plaques, which indicate exposure to asbestos, but which are themselves harmless.

It is understood the Edinburgh law firm Brodies is co-ordinating the judicial review on behalf of AXA, Norwich Union, RSA and Zurich.

The lawyers have already engaged two of Scotland's most formidable advocates to attempt to overturn the law at the Court of Session. Leading will be Richard Keen QC, dean of the Faculty of Advocates, and he will be assisted by Jane Munro.

If successful, the challenge would humiliate the government and dash the hopes of thousands of people negligently exposed to asbestos.

While the average payout would be around £8000 per person, legal costs would be twice as much again, and ministers estimate the total cost to private companies will top £50 million.

Frank Maguire of Thompsons Solicitors, which represents many Scots asbestos victims, said the court would be loath to reverse the will of parliament, especially as it was a clarification of the existing law.

He said: "We have researched all the angles and we are pretty confident that this will be overcome. We believe this judicial review will be defeated."

A spokesman for justice secretary Kenny MacAskill said: "We are entirely confident that this bill is within the legislative powers of the Scottish parliament. There is a moral imperative here that the SNP government in Scotland is acting on, even if Westminster is not. The House of Lords judgment means that people diagnosed with pleural plaques would have to live with the worry of possible future ill health for the rest of their lives, with no recourse to claim damages."

The judicial review will not surprise the Scottish government. During a consultation last year, insurance firms warned the proposed legislation was "wholly wrong", would open the flood-gates to similar dubious damage claims, and ought to be dropped. Some warned of potential legal challenges.

One of the main complaints against the legislation was that it would allow people to sue for a condition that causes them no physical harm: pleural plaques are symptomless, and do not develop into fatal mesothelioma. Allowing people to claim damages for something that hasn't damaged them is perverse and up-ends centuries of case law, critics argued.

But advocates of compensation said people who discover they have plaques suffer psychological stress.

In October 2007, after more than 20 years of people being able to claim compensation for plaques, the House of Lords ruled plaques were too trivial to merit damages. The Westminster government has so far accepted the ruling, but in Scotland asbestos victims persuaded the Scottish government to legislate to restore the "status quo ante", and let workers pursue damages for the condition once more. Wednesday's third-stage vote will see the culmination of that two-year campaign.

Last week, ministers were forced to issue a revised financial memorandum to the Damages (Asbestos-Related Conditions) (Scotland) Bill, after realising it had underestimated the likely cost of compensation.

Settling the backlog against private firms is expected to cost £11.8m to £20m, followed by annual costs of £3.7m-£7m.

Councils also face bills of around £850,000 to settle existing cases, and annual bills of around £500,000.

The Ministry of Defence, which runs the Rosyth Naval Dockyard, and the UK Department for Business, which inherited liability for defunct shipyards, face total costs of around £7m, a bill the UK government could choose to hand back to Edinburgh.

Christine O'Neill, of Brodies, added: "We have been instructed by a number of insurers to look at a challenge."


Anonymous said...

must be a conflict of interest to have the same insurers insuring everyone !

Anonymous said...

Taking on Keen will be a method of intimidation which I hope fails.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how members of the EIS - the largest teaching union in Scotland which for many years have relied upon Norwich Union - would feel about their monthly subscriptions funding Norwich Union's disgraceful conduct?

Don't bother waiting for the BBC to enquire - they rely upon Marsh -and so once again license holders/taxpayers unwittingly help line that disgraced insurer's pockets.

It is a disgrace that Marsh should be allowed within a mile of any contract with any Government Department, let alone maintain its anti-competitive monopoly over the provision of Professional Indemnity Insurance to every solicitor in Scotland.

Self-regulation of the legal profession must end, with those responsible for the status quo shown the door as clearly not fit for purpose.

Another superb article.

Anonymous said...

Good clip with the story Peter.They really are a loathesome bunch and I hope it gets voted through.
Good writing as usual :)

Peter Cherbi said...

# Anonymous @ 3.30pm

I agree !

# Anonymous @ 5.14pm

You raise a valid point, and I think its time the web of contracts which Marsh and the various insurance companies such as Norwich Union & RSA are involved in with Government departments & public bodies is exposed to public view, and all the perks which I'm sure are showered on those officials or politicians who decide who gets the insurance contracts ...

Each solicitor should be required to disclose his PII history in terms of numbers of claims, and perhaps an independently monitored points rating system to prospective clients.

Anonymous said...

very good investigasion and I wish the poor people who has asbetos problem to get theyr money and hope theyr health is last

its pity Scotland law is so bad

Anonymous said...

You said : Is it ethical to pay millions of pounds of taxpayers money to the same insurers who are fighting proposals of reforms in the legislative process which are designed to make life better for those who are suffering fatal illness ?

More to the point is it ethical to allow these scumbags to succeed ?

Anonymous said...

How much blood money is Keen getting for his services ???

Anonymous said...

Frank Maguire of Thompsons is probably insured by Royal Sun Alliance too so whats he talking about ?

I hope his clients know !!

Anonymous said...

You can add Canada to the list of asbestos supporting bums !

"Pressure from major producer Canada and several developing country importers will prevent diplomats meeting in Rome for the Rotterdam Convention this week from adding chrysotile asbestos to a list of substances recognized as particularly hazardous."

Anonymous said...

A sick display of vested interests sticking together for the sake of lining each others pockets.
If one of them ended up being diagnosed with pleural plaques you would see a complete change in their view on life.Glad to see that msp didn't let that ****** off the hook saying what she did.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the lawyers who are working at the parliament might try building in problems to the asbestos law ? If I were a politician there I'd want to check that out.

Anonymous said...

I think the teachers should change their insurers and so should everyone else.

Keep away from RSA Norwich Union AXA Zurich and the rest if you dont support screwing asbestos sufferers

Anonymous said...

What you and the Sunday Herald forgot to mention is the Insurers won the fight to kill off asbestos claims for pleural plaques in England & Wales.This bill going through Holyrood is the SNP's creation simply to get back at the House of Lords throwing out such claims.Its a Scotland v England thing and an SNP opportunistic stance which will end up costing everyone a lot of money including those miscreant lawyers who are supporting it.
I would really like to say something else but you probabyl wouldn't publish the comment.
Good luck in your writing Peter Cherbi and exposing these shower of rogues.

Anonymous said...

just like mps expenses we never heard a word until people started pushing for the info - and now we see they are all crooks claiming as much as they can for doing as little as possible

so it is with this report of the same insurers being everywhere and now people will have to push to find out more about it although i can already guess the outcome - more crooks and kickbanks so a few companies get all the insurance contracts

Anonymous said...

This is only happening because the SNP want a fight with London over it and guess who will win in the end (it wont be the asbestos victims)

Anonymous said...

I agree with the thrust of comments here,this makes the dean and the insurers look very bad to put it mildly.

Anonymous said...


I called up the Scotsman and wanted to speak to a journalist about the way the Law Society has handled my complaint against Brodies.I spoke to somoene there you probably know and they said they would get back to me and never did
Is all the newspapers afraid of the Law society and crooked lawyers?

Anonymous said...

Good post Peter.No wonder industries like banks lawyers insurers etc are now the most disrespected - they are all crooks and have kept the money to themselves all these years.Now they are all broke and joe public is having to bail them out.I say we let them all fail and throw them out of the nearest window.

Anonymous said...

The fact is Peter these insurance companies - RSA Norwich Union and others are good at what they do which is why they get the business.
Remember keeping claims at bay is their trade and ethics,morality or anything else does not come into it.They will tread on victims of anything while maintaining a smile and knifing you a couple of extra times to see you dont get back up again.
Bankers Insurers Lawyers all scum that stick together with the politicians they have bought.

Anonymous said...

Obviously something MacAskill wont want to admit to and dont forget he too was/is insured by RSA as a lawyer !
To quote another comment I wonder if any timebombs have been built into this asbestos law ?

Anonymous said...

Who else do this lot insure ? the Police too ?

Anonymous said...

comment at 147pm

The hootsmon wont take your story
The Law Society openly brag they shut up the newspapers years ago

Anonymous said...

Hey kid do you ever get the feeling you are banging your head against a brick wall ?

These hoods will be doing the same old shit to everyone long after all of us are gone !

Anonymous said...

To the post of 10.11pm ; that is precisely the deafentist and complacent attitude which allows this corruption to continue.

Thank goodness others such as Peter Cherbi are doing something about it.

Anonymous said...

I know a client of Maguire and he didn't know the same insurers were involved against the law change

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

I used to work at the Scotsman and saw Peter many times in the paper.I think we all appreciate the likes of Peter's blog which has in itself caused a lot of issues to come to light no one would ever know about or sought to question.
Perhaps the irony is that in hounding the poor lad to death which several people at the Law Society decided to make it their business to do,they created someone who has benefited all of us including even a few in the legal world.
I for one am happy to see many issues the Scotsman started the ball rolling on continued through the work of people such as Peter Cherbi.

Anonymous said...

I saw on the news the law had been passed :

I hope the people get their claims instead of the damned lawyers taking all the money for themselves like they did with the miners.

BTW Your posting on this was excellent and I hope those creeps in the insurance industry and lawyers take note before they try challenging this one.

Anonymous said...

Hitting his head against a brick wall??? I hope he smashes the bloody wall down just as the newspapers should be doing but they dont because they've been bought off!

Anonymous said...

glad to see it passed despite Keen's tactics of intimidation towards Holyrood

Anonymous said...

Yes I saw it passed too.
It will be interesting now to see if Keen and Brodies do challenge the law.Maybe not after reading this ?