Wednesday, July 15, 2009

Suicides, illness, broken families and ruined clients reveal true cost of Law Society's Master Policy which 'allows solicitors to sleep at night'

SLCC report headerOnly a few days after the release of the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission's investigation into the claims process against solicitors, harsh evidence is beginning to emerge of the human cost to clients, where suicides, illness (some resulting in death), family break ups and huge financial losses are the horrific consequences sustained by members of the public who have tried to make claims against the Law Society of Scotland's 'Master Policy' insurance scheme, touted by the legal profession as protecting lawyers and clients but which the ground breaking report released by Manchester University School of Law on Monday reveals “is simply designed to allow lawyers to sleep at night.”

Page 8 - Consumer Focus Scotland refused cooperation from Law SocietySuicides, illness, family breakdown, loss of homes, loss of livelihood were all identified by interviewees as being directly associated with members of the public’s dealings with the Law Society & Master Policy. During the research team's investigation of claims against the Master Policy, team members were told of suicides which had occurred due to the way in which clients of crooked lawyers had been treated by the Law Society of Scotland and the insurers who operate the Master Policy protection scheme for solicitors against negligence claims. Quoting the report : "Several claimants said that they had been diagnosed with depression; that they had high blood pressure; and several had their marriages fail due to their claim. Some had lost a lot of money, their homes, and we were told that one party litigant had committed suicide."

Law Society of ScotlandLaw Society officials linked to suicide of client who claimed against the Master Policy. The suicide of one client who had dealings with the Master Policy, is apparently linked to senior officials at the Law Society of Scotland itself, who, when approached by the client to handle a complaint against his solicitor who had made major errors in handling legal business, recommended to the now deceased client he approach a well known firm of solicitors to sue his original solicitor and pursue a claim against the Master Policy for negligence. However, what the client did not know was the law firm which the now promoted Director of a department at the Law Society had recommended he approach, actually represented the Legal Defence Union, which exists to defend solicitors against both claims & complaints from clients, and who are involved in defending solicitors against over two thirds of the thousands of complaints made annually against lawyers by members of the public in Scotland.

The client, a farmer and co owner of a business, went onto unknowingly engage the law firm recommended to him by the still serving senior Law Society official, however, unsurprisingly, little or no progress was made over a lengthy period of time on the client's claim against the Master Policy, which in itself, caused severe stress and depression to the client and his family.

Matters reached the stage where the law firm, recommended to the client by the Law Society itself had done little on the case, and offered no hope of a just & fair resolution to the huge losses caused by the client's original solicitor, one evening, not long after yet another unsuccessful meeting with his solicitors, the client in question had reached a point of such depression, he committed suicide at home using a shotgun, leaving his widow & children. Several days after the client’s suicide, the same Law Society official who had recommended the law firm which had done nothing to proceed the deceased client's claim and take the original 'crooked lawyer' to court, wrote to the widow of the victim and callously informed her she had two weeks to make a complaint to the Law Society or she would be time barred.

The case itself, was investigated by the then Scottish Legal Services Ombudsman Linda Costello Baker, in 2001, who found the Law Society of Scotland had failed the deceased client and ordered they re-investigate the complaint. The Law Society then proceeded to investigate the complaints again, however reaching the same conclusions, which prompted the widow of the deceased client to return to the SLSO, Ms Costello Baker, who again investigated in 2003 and judged the Law Society had failed once more.

At least two other suicides directly associated with clients dealings with the Master Policy are known, where in both cases, clients appeared to have been put under intolerable pressure, delay, deceit and intimidation by lawyers, the Law Society itself, and the insurers to the Master Policy, that the result of the entire process was to cause the claimants to end their lives after breaking under the strain of dealings with the apparently deadly Master Policy insurance scheme.

Further excerpts from the Manchester University report into the Law Society's Master Policy & Guarantee Fund show the intolerable strain clients who attempt to claim against their 'crooked' solicitor have to endure : Claimants "described being intimidated, being forced to settle rather than try to run a hearing without legal support, and all felt that their claims’ outcomes were not fair. Some claimants felt that they should have received more support, and that this lack was further evidence of actors within the legal system being “against” Master Policy claimants. Judges were described as being “former solicitors”, members of the Law Society – and thus, against claimants. Some described judges and other judicial officers as being very hostile to party litigants."

One direct quote from the report, depicts a claimant, who was forced to become a party litigant : "I keep fighting cases, and they keep coming at me, and now I have become ill. But they still keep coming at me. They threw me out onto the street, I couldn’t get my medication, I’ve got nothing, I was homeless, ill, sleeping in the car. Now I am appealing. But I can’t get a solicitor. They are just shutting me down…. My health has been damaged, they kill you off. It's a proven fact. All of us have stress related problems after years and years of stress."

One client who had fought a nine year battle with the Law Society of Scotland and the insurers to the Master Policy over a multi million pound negligence claim which ultimately failed said : "The way that claims against crooked lawyers are handled in Scotland is criminal. The Law Society and the insurers will stop at nothing to ruin a client's life if they dare try and raise a claim for damages against their lawyer."

He went on : "I lost my business and then my house after the legal firm which was supposed to be acting on my behalf against my original solicitor, sued me for legal costs of over £72,000 after nine years of allegedly trying to take the case to court and then the whole thing coming to nothing. I found out that the law firm I took on to represent me against my original solicitor who ruined my business, had been working against me from the very start and to make matters worse, they are I hear going to merge with the law firm of my original solicitor now that my case is out of the way."

"My wife left me, took my children, and I now have little hope of ever working again. I am shattered and have been diagnosed with depression, but the solicitor I originally complained against has a good life, is an outwardly respectable member of the community, but in reality is a thief who embezzled tens of thousands of pounds from my business, and ruined my business just to make sure he could buy up the bankrupt parts for himself which is what he actually did."

He ended by saying : "If anyone asked me for advice on how to deal with a solicitor in Scotland, I'd say stay the hell away from them and even if you have to use one, do not get into a trusting relationship with them simply because if anything goes wrong, as it probably will, they will end up as your opponent in the blink of an eye and from then on your life will be made a living hell."

A solicitor I asked for comment today said :”While I must express my sympathies to the families of clients who have apparently committed suicide over their dealings with the Law Society and the bad apples among us, we as solicitors are as much a victim of the Master Policy and the Law Society as are the clients. Not one solicitor to my knowledge has even seen a copy of the Master Policy but I do know someone who once asked for a copy and was refused, then was given a sharp rebuke for even asking to see it yet we are forced to pay annually into the Master Policy if we want to continue practising law in Scotland.”

He ended by saying : “The Master Policy is all about giving the Law Society of Scotland control over the legal profession and the public. Get rid of the Master Policy and the Law Society while you’re at it, allow us as individual firms to arrange our own insurance cover, and you would see a very different, more positive legal services market in Scotland.”

Consumer Focus Scotland Consumer Focus Scotland welcomed the findings of Dr Melville & Professor Stephen’s report. Today, Consumer Focus Scotland issued a statement welcoming the findings of the report into the Master Policy & Guarantee Fund, saying : “We welcome this preliminary research into the Master Policy and Guarantee Fund. Although based on a small sample, it provides useful qualitative evidence that the current system lacks clarity for both consumers and the legal profession. We welcome the recommendation that additional research is required, which we hope can further explore and build upon the initial findings from this report.”

Page 8 - Consumer Focus Scotland refused cooperation from Law SocietyThe Law Society of Scotland refused to work with the Scottish Consumer Council on an investigation into the Master Policy in 2003 & 2004. However, it transpires from this week’s report that Consumer Focus Scotland in its previous incantation as the Scottish Consumer Council, who carried out several large investigations into problems with the Scottish legal profession, wanted to carry out an investigation into the Master Policy in 2003, however attempts were thwarted when the Law Society of Scotland refused to take part. An excerpt from Dr Melville & Professor Stephen’s report reads : “Consumer Focus in 2003 and 2004 wished to carry out desk-based research on the Master Policy. They sought the co-operation of the LSS of Scotland which was refused. Consequently the research was not undertaken.”

One large scale report undertaken by the Scottish Consumer Council took place in 1999 when the SCC’s Complaints Against Solicitors report was released. This week’s Manchester University report refers to the earlier SCC investigation as follows : “Consumer Focus Scotland has not specifically considered either the Master Policy or the Guarantee Fund, although it did state that professional indemnity insurance arrangements and complaints procedures needed to be put in place in order to facilitate the alternative business structures within the legal market. In 1999, Consumer Focus Scotland conducted a study on Complaints about Solicitors, which surveyed over 1200 people who had used the Law Society of Scotland’s complaints procedure during a one year period. During this research, Consumer Focus Scotland was contacted by a number of claimants who raised concerns about the Master Policy.”

You can read the Scottish Consumer Council’s 1999 “Complaints Against Solicitors” report HERE and the Manchester University report on the Law Society’s Master Policy & Guarantee Fund HERE :

Which logoWhich? also welcomed the research findings but expressed concern over the Insurers restrictions on the research team who were denied access to important data. Also today, a spokeswoman for Which? issued comment on the Manchester University report, and, while welcoming the findings of the research team, concern and criticism was expressed that the Law Society refused to hand over important data or a copy of the Master Policy itself to the research team. Which? said :“We welcome the research but are obviously disappointed that the Law Society did not provide the researchers with access to the Master Policy as part of their work. However hopefully what was gleaned will provide a platform for other work to come in this area.”

So, at the end of the day, as the Manchester University report of this week reveals, “Thus, the Master Policy is essentially an insurance scheme intended to provide professional indemnity insurance coverage for solicitors.The purpose of the Master Policy, the simple answer is to allow solicitors to sleep at night. It provides professional indemnity insurance cover for firms."

Jane IrvineSLCC’s Chair, Jane Irvine. What therefore, is the SLCC going to do about this and just how many members of the public have to get ill, or even die to protect a ‘crooked lawyer’ and the Master Policy, before something is done ? Jane Irvine, when asked for comment on these matters, said : “As you are aware, the research was commissioned by the SLCC and carried out by Manchester University School of Law. One of their undertakings was to conduct key informant interviews and the people who came forward were assured their own details would be treated in confidence by the researchers. These conditions have not changed.”

Ms Irvine continued : ”The SLCC is unable to comment on the individual interviews. However, the independent research is central to defining how we develop our role of oversight of the Master Policy and Guarantee Fund. In terms of the report, the experiences of the people who came forward to be interviewed were significant to the quality of the research. The information given by all those who assisted the researchers is valued by the SLCC and it is essential to the development of our oversight role.”

Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill has so far not returned requests for comment on Monday’s report …

150 comments:

Anonymous said...

So like nothing will be done then and as many people can kill themselves again ?

nasty bunch of lawyers

Anonymous said...

So the Law Society are running their own version of Guantanamo bay prison camp here in Scotland?

Who is next for the waterboarding and electrocution treatment I wonder and why is thickheaded MacAskill so bloody silent on this?

Anonymous said...

The case itself, was investigated by the then Scottish Legal Services Ombudsman Linda Costello Baker, in 2001, who found the Law Society of Scotland had failed the deceased client and ordered they re-investigate the complaint. The Law Society then proceeded to investigate the complaints again, however reaching the same conclusions, which prompted the widow of the deceased client to return to the SLSO, Ms Costello Baker, who again investigated in 2003 and judged the Law Society had failed once more.

MacAskill how much do people need to endure before something is done about self regulation. The people who were involved in this should be in prison, and one day you lawyers will create your own bloodbath. People will not keep taking this shit,for you to keep lawyers clean.

Anonymous said...

"The way that claims against crooked lawyers are handled in Scotland is criminal. The Law Society and the insurers will stop at nothing to ruin a client's life if they dare try and raise a claim for damages against their lawyer."

This person is correct. One day I will switch on the television and some ruined victim of the law society will have murdered lawyers, I have no doubt because the injustice here is a modern day type of slavery, to protect corrupt professionals and money. I hate lawyers, and doctors as much as the Nazi's hated their enemies.

Peter Cherbi said...

Lots of comments so far I'm afraid I am not able to publish due to their strength ... I do sympathise with the strong feelings on these issues, where yes, innocent people have taken their own lives due to the way they have been treated by the legal profession, but we must all be careful of what we write ...

I will be happy to publish the comments edited ...

# Anonymous @ 4.56pm

Yes .. it looks that way .. but something must be done .. after all, why should innocent people die just so lawyers can sleep at night ?

# Anonymous @ 5.21pm

Mr MacAskill did say he would defend the legal profession against its critics .. perhaps he supports the way the Master Policy has ruined lives .. after all, he has paid plenty into it himself as a solicitor ...

# Anonymous @ 5.22pm

I agree with you entirely !

Anonymous said...

God in Heaven.Anyone involved with this Master Policy must be truly evil.

Solicitors can sleep at night??? Disgusting if they can after this.Hell awaits those who cause the deaths of others for profit and financial gain.

Anonymous said...

Peter you are right, people need to be careful what they say, but these lawyers are heartless, evil people. That is what drives the hatred as you know. I would like to read other people's comments and if you can publish them edited that would be great. Thanks for your great work.

Anonymous said...

A solicitor I asked for comment today said :”While I must express my sympathies to the families of clients who have apparently committed suicide over their dealings with the Law Society and the bad apples among us...........You are all bad applies and if you committed suicide you would do us all a favour.

Anonymous said...

Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill has so far not returned requests for comment on Monday’s report------Well Mr MacAskill time to act or resign. The legal dictatorship must be crushed, if the complaints system was totally independent lawyers would be committing suicide.

THE LAW SOCIETY OF SCOTLAND MUST NOW BE ABOLISHED. PASS LAWS WHICH MAKE IT ILLEGAL FOR LAW FIRMS TO USE THE SAME INSURERS.

Anonymous said...

I know what I would like to say about this scum but you probably wouldn't publish it.
Anyway carry on the brilliant effort Peter and all those who suffer at the hands of MacAskill's buddies in the legal mafia.

You should all rise up and ..

Anonymous said...

A very emotive posting
I'm not surprised you are getting some strong comments although from what else I read I think the lawyers deserve ******

Anonymous said...

"My wife left me, took my children, and I now have little hope of ever working again. I am shattered and have been diagnosed with depression, but the solicitor I originally complained against has a good life, (THIS ALWAYS HAPPENS AND THEY DO NOT CARE) is an outwardly respectable member of the community, (SELF REGULATION HAS ENSURED HE REMAINS RESPECTABLE) but in reality is a thief who embezzled tens of thousands of pounds from my business, and ruined my business just to make sure he could buy up the bankrupt parts for himself which is what he actually did."

THE LAWYERS IN SCOTLAND COULD HAVE BEEN CAMP GUARDS IN AUCHWITZ SUCH IS THE EVIL OF THESE PEOPLE.

Peter Cherbi said...

Earlier comments, edited due to content :

# Anonymous @ 17:18

Matters reached the stage where the law firm, recommended to the client by the Law Society itself had done little on the case, and offered no hope of a just & fair resolution to the huge losses caused by the client's original solicitor, one evening, not long after yet another unsuccessful meeting with his solicitors, the client in question had reached a point of such depression, he committed suicide at home using a shotgun, leaving his widow & children. Several days after the client’s suicide, the same Law Society official who had recommended the law firm which had done nothing to proceed the deceased client's claim and take the original 'crooked lawyer' to court, wrote to the widow of the victim and callously informed her she had two weeks to make a complaint to the Law Society or she would be time barred.
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This farmer should have walked -------------- --------------------.

# Anonymous @ 5:06pm

However, what the client did not know was the law firm which the now promoted Director of a department at the Law Society had recommended he approach, actually represented the Legal Defence Union, which exists to defend solicitors against both claims & complaints from clients, and who are involved in defending solicitors against over two thirds of the thousands of complaints made annually against lawyers by members of the public in Scotland.
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This beggars belief, it would be like a British regiment at Arhnem asking German units to fight with the British against other Germans. --------------------.

# Anonymous @ 17:00

"Several claimants said that they had been diagnosed with depression; that they had high blood pressure; and several had their marriages fail due to their claim. Some had lost a lot of money, their homes, and we were told that one party litigant had committed suicide."

Shocking, --------------------. ------------------------------------- .

# Anonymous @ 16:56

Suicides, illness, family breakdown, loss of homes, loss of livelihood were all identified by interviewees as being directly associated with members of the public’s dealings with the Law Society & Master Policy.
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People of Scotland,I know what these lawyers can do to people. It happened to a member of my family, and there is one fact that infuriates me the most.

LAWYERS DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE STATE CLIENTS ARE LEFT IN. FROM OUR DEALINGS WITH THIS PROFESSION I PROMISE YOU ALL THEY ARE EVERY BIT AS EVIL AS THE SS CAMP GUARDS IN AUCHWITZ. THEY WOULD BURY YOU IN A SHALLOW GRAVE FOR YOUR MONEY, GAS YOU, BURN YOUR CHILDREN. I AM ACTUALLY SURPRISED TO DATE NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN MURDERED, BECAUSE THEY ARE EVIL INCARNATE. EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, EVEN THOSE WHO HAVE NEVER HAD A LAWYER ARE AT RISK. PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH INTENSE EVIL.

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Please remember readers, even though the issues are quite powerful, make your comments count !

Anonymous said...

I am of the firm opinion that outside each lawyers office in Scotland someone should stand with a poster saying "This lawyer pays into and is part of a financial scheme which murders clients for profit."

Anonymous said...

All jurors in Scotland must have the right to know the background of legal professionals in the courts.

How many have been involved in corruption and had the Law Society mafia cover everything up. A banana republic indeed with the Law Society dictatorship in control. Time to end self regulation and let the lawyers blow their brains out. Douglas Mill talks about the human rights of lawyers, I do not expect you to understand or care Douglas about these suicides, because I am sure you will have caused some yourself. But you are mentally unreachable with your attitudes, entrenched in the lawyer protection mode. So are your staff at the Law Society, criminals all of you with blood on your hands.

Anonymous said...

Ms Irvine continued : ”The SLCC is unable to comment on the individual interviews.

WTF? She wont even comment on a suicide ? !!@@&&

Anonymous said...

"Several claimants said that they had been diagnosed with depression; that they had high blood pressure; and several had their marriages fail due to their claim. Some had lost a lot of money, their homes, and we were told that one party litigant had committed suicide."
Even if these poor people could get a lawyer, doctors would never say the depression, high blood pressure, or suicide was caused by the ill treatment of the Law Society. They are all insured by Royal Sun Alliance, so they will make sure damages are never paid. They have it all their own way, lawyers, doctors, the Law Society, the master fund, the insurers. A reputation and therefore money protection racket that is a face for a body that by statute must protect clients, but in reality only cares about lawyers careers.
Any member of the public who trusts any of these professions after reading this must be insane.

Anonymous said...

On the other side of the coin I heard a lawyer committed suicide because he was about to be found out for robbing his clients.
I did not shed one bloody tear for him I can assure you!

Anonymous said...

With the morals these lawyers have their parents must have been scum also. Their values were instilled by their parents so what is happening here is proof enough of the kind of upbringing they had.

Would granny kill for the Law Society ? said...

Hi Peter long time no speak.
I see you are still giving the Law Society a good going over and in my view they deserve it.
I don't think your posting is over the top to be honest,all you have done is quote the report and the background to the suicide case you obviously know all about.
Keep up the pressure!

Anonymous said...

MacAskill has blood on his hands if he doesn't do something about this.

Anonymous said...

To the solicitor who contributed to your report, and who together with many others is I suspect clearly aware of the corruption at the heart of his profession ;

You and your colleagues have a duty to defend the subject you are presnetly privileged to represent -'the buck stops there'.

Did Consumer Focus Scotland ever report the Law Society to the OFT for its stubborn refusal to co-operate and effectively prevent its proposed research in 2003 and 2004, and if not, why not?

Meanwhile Jane Irvine greets the research with vague generalisations and no committment to clean up the corrupt self regulating Law Society of Scotland - waffle which confirms that neither she nor the SLCC are fit for purpose.

Anonymous said...

No wonder Marsh and the Law Society want to keep the whole thing quiet with these suicides and stuff.
I say break it open and well .. you know what to do everyone without saying it

Anonymous said...

Suicides will not cut any ice with MacAskill. He is as evil as the trash he worships.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I am of the firm opinion that outside each lawyers office in Scotland someone should stand with a poster saying "This lawyer pays into and is part of a financial scheme which murders clients for profit."

You need a white T shirt, get this on the front and back and go to the shops. Mine will say Law Society Insurers Caused Client Suicides. They cannot use the law of defamation because it is true. Take me to court Law Society, I will relish the publicity.

Anonymous said...

Peter if you ever want to have a peaceful rally post this on your website time, date, venue etc and we will be there. Peaceful protest is our right.

Anonymous said...

POSTER CAMPAIGN

LAW SOCIETY OF SCOTLAND RESPONSIBLE FOR CLIENT SUICIDES.


LAW SOCIETY OF SCOTLAND PROTECT CORRUPT LAWYERS.

Anonymous said...

Even though I can guess who it is I hope you name and shame the horrible character at the Law Society who put this poor man who died onto a Legal Defence Union lawyer.

Only a horrible character would do such a thing.

Anonymous said...

Do not ever expect the truth from an accountant, doctor or lawyer if money or reputations are at risk. The people who work in these professions are the most deviant people in society.

I warn all of you people out there, the Law Society is a letter writing organisation, letters will go from client to society, even for years but the lawyer in question will be protected to the hilt. You have no chance of justice with this organisation, because they are all like Pritchard, Yelland, Mill, criminals who are above the law. They don't care about client suicides, they cause them. Satan's representatives, the antithesis of decency, honour and honesty. The legal professions Nazi elite, but they are not invincible. I have never in my life been more dedicated to a cause that ending self regulation. These people are fools. If I was doing what they are doing I would expect to get wasted.
You fools keep treating people like shit, ruining lives and one day you will meet your nemesis. People will not keep taking this treatment, regardless of politicians loyalties.

Anonymous said...

Disgusted by the whole thing and hope something is done for the families of the victims of this master policy.
Lawyers will one day fill hell I hope

Anonymous said...

Thanks for those links of the reports Mr Cherbi.The 1999 SCC report is very interesting indeed and one wonders why it took until 2003/2004 for the SCC to follow up issues concerning the Master Policy.
Having read all that you wrote I conclude that lawyers are the enemy of the people not their friends.The good they may do is firmly outweighed by the bad and deaths linked to their negligence insurance can never be justified.

Anonymous said...

Shocking and disgusting.
Lawyers should not be allowed to sleep until they fix this mess they made themselves

LAW SOCIETY MASTER POLICY = MURDER POLICY said...

Yes definitely more protests are needed !
This slcc office must be picketed and the Law Society too and the insurers until the MURDER POLICY is ended

Law Society Master Policy = MURDER POLICY

LAW SOCIETY MASTER POLICY = MURDER POLICY said...

T shirts and posters with "LAW SOCIETY MURDER POLICY ALLOWS LAWYERS TO SLEEP AT NIGHT" should be put up everywhere

LAW SOCIETY MASTER POLICY = MURDER POLICY

Anonymous said...

As a solicitor myself I feel somewhat bemused at the Law Society's replies to the Manchester Uni team.

The way the LSS handles the Master Policy should now be up for debate and personally I believe the local bar associations should take over responsibility for insurance in the time being while individual arrangements are put in place.

I am of course very sorry to hear that some claimants have committed suicide and share your view on this Peter that the MP is not worth the lives of clients.

Good luck and all the best.

Anonymous said...

You are VERY brave for taking on these evil people Mr Cherbi.
Expose them all for what they are so we know who to avoid dealing with.It sickens me to think I have even been in the same room with a lawyer now.

Anonymous said...

deaths have been caused so these people who caused it should be in prison

Anonymous said...

These suicides are tragic, and are not surprising because the evil bastards that are the Law Society do not care about anything other than lawyers and insurance companies. They are Scotland's dictators.

If the farmer who took his own life was doing what happened to him to a lawyer, he would quickly be threatened with court action for harassment. The legal defence union would threaten him, but the lawyers can harass a man so much he took his own life. No one will pay for this, this legal system is all one way, total protection for lawyers, none for clients.

This case is a stain on the Law Society of Scotland as a protection racket and client torture centre at the same time. No wonder they were alarmed at the report findings.

There power must be smashed, because people can be sure of one thing, if self regulation continues there will be more suicides. I have no doubt the farmers GP will be in cahoots with the lawyers, and state he had mental health problems which drove him to suicide. The doctor will never back the family, I know what these doctor bastards are too. I mean no disrespect to the family, I know from personal experience what they were dealing with. Professionals with a license to torture, because they are only answerable to their own. If I had my way criminal charges would be brought in this case. But the Crown Office the GP and the Procurator Fiscal will also be insured by the same insurers as the law society lawyers, Royal Sun Alliance. Like I said a protection racket. Shame on Kenny MacAskill and Alex Salmond for sitting on the lawyers side of the fence, criminals all of them.

Anonymous said...

Good afternoon Peter,

I hope this scandal will be reported in the press, or do the Law Society control them too?
If they do then this is the same as Dr Goebbles in Germany contolling the press, and crushing free speech.

The man who committed suicide was tortured to death. Lawyers, doctors, all self regulators can control a persons life in a horrific way and the victim has no one to turn to. They can cut your money supply off, refuse to represent you, leave you to the mercy of their colleagues. In this country there is nowhere to turn when these professions have a grip on your life. It is a devastating, lonely position to be in, and this situation must change at all costs.

Anonymous said...

Kenny MacAskill, a member of the public asking the Law Society of Scotland to investigate a lawyers integrity, is no different to asking the Nazi's to investigate the holocaust. Totally pointless.

The once Scottish Legal Services Ombudsman Linda Costello Baker, stated that a complaints handling body must be free of lawyers for it to work. I totally agree with her and it is time this was set up. You know if this happens we will see a lot of lawyer suicides, because of the mess they have left.

Anonymous said...

Comment left at 11.09

"I am of course very sorry to hear that some claimants have committed suicide and share your view on this Peter that the MP is not worth the lives of clients".

Good luck and all the best.

Mr lawyer, I do not believe you. If suicidal clients came to you for help would you expose the corruption in the Law Society, to protect those clients? Not a chance in hell. A client trusting you would be like allowing the Nazi's to investigate the holocaust.

I will tell you this about all self regulators, they will crucify clients, patients, to protect their colleagues. That is what has happened here, and criminal prosecutions are the order of the day.

Anonymous said...

This comment is aimed at readers who are calling for prosecutions for the suicides of clients.

I am no lawyer so I hope Peter can correct me if I am wrong. Evidence would be needed from Consultant Psychiatrists, who have legal privilidge (they cannot be sued for giving a medical opinion as an expert witness) stating the harassment these people suffered from lawyers drove them to suicide. Now, any doctor will always put money above life, so even if they knew the Law Society drove these people to suicide the medical reports would never say that.

People need to realize doctors are every bit as crooked as these lawyer bastards, and money and reputations is what they care about, nothing else. So prosecutions of Law Society members, I would love that to happen but, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

The Consultant psychiatrists would be appointed for both parties, if the suicide victims families could get a lawyer in the first place. Lawyers of Scotland, do any of you have the decency to help these poor people? Clearly the legal establishment are evil people. I will watch this space.

Anonymous said...

There is not one lawyer in Scotland who has any sympathy for the people who committed suicide. Lawyers only have sympathy for their own.

In my opinion it is the duty of every one of Peter's supporters to help him and ourselves, by dropping posters all over Scotland. A ream of printer paper is only £2.00, get your printers going like hell. Peter your comments would be most welcome, edit as you please if you agree?

LAW SOCIETY OF SCOTLAND RESPONSIBLE FOR DEATHS OF LAWYERS CLIENTS.

LAW SOCIETY OF SCOTLAND PROTECT CROOKED LAWYERS.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
You are VERY brave for taking on these evil people Mr Cherbi.
Expose them all for what they are so we know who to avoid dealing with.It sickens me to think I have even been in the same room with a lawyer now.
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Yes my friend Peter is brave, but I am sure he is also driven by the firm conviction as I am, that all pressure groups have right on their side. Mentally you will never reach a lawyer, they are locked into self protect mode.

They can never see two sides of a debate if that will lead to a diminishing of their powers. What we can and must do is warn everyone what they are up against. I believe we will get independent complaints handling, and that is the only way we can clean this filthy profession up. They need to be forced, and MacAskill is the wrong man to do this. We will fight on, and we will not accept anything less than victory over Scotlands Legal Mafia.

Anonymous said...

A lawyer said "I am of course very sorry to hear that some claimants have committed suicide and share your view on this Peter that the MP is not worth the lives of clients".

Why don't you help clients then lawyer if you are sincere? Only one of you have said this, that is telling.

If there is a god, I do not believe there is, but if I am wrong, you bastards will fry for the torture you have put families through. There is no difference between you people and the Nazi's. Lawyers would put bullets through the back of clients heads before they would expose corruption in each other.

Anonymous said...

I read in one of the comments that someone hopes for a prosecution of these legal thugs who caused the suicides.
If you take a look at the inquiry into the ICL factory in Glasgow today - where nothing doing as usual and no one really to blame you will see there will never be any prosecutions of these evil people.
I say throw them to the victims families and let them decide what to do with them.

Anonymous said...

Much of this is a question of morals. Lawyers and doctors think is it acceptable to torture people if reputations are at risk. In these cases these suicides would not have happened if,

Lawyers put human life above money.

Lawyers were not bound together by a code of loyalty.

Insurance companies were prepared to compensate victims of lawyers.

These bastards do this. They go home to their families, have dinner, relax and they are ruining peoples lives when they are at work. All protected by their colleagues to ensure they can keep ruining lives for profit. A wonderful business model I do not think. They sleep easy because they believe this is morally right. So does Kenny MacAskill.

Anonymous said...

THE SUNDAY MAIL DOES IT AGAIN, LONG LIVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

'Lying' Fiscal Ruined My Life

Mar 9 2008 By Steve Dinneen

Exclusive Oap's £150k Claim

A TOP fiscal has been accused of costing a client s150,000 by misleading him.

Adrian Fraser - who prosecuted shamed peer Mike Watson - is under investigation over his handling of the ill-health claim.

He was hired as a solicitor by Alexander Davidson in 1995 to represent his compensation battle with ex-employer Scottish Power.

Alexander, 72, of Falkirk, had been told by a court-appointed advocate he could received £150,000 after exposure to hazardous substances.
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A WARNING FROM THE PERSON POSTING THIS COMMENT.

ALL DOCTORS THIS PERSON WOULD HAVE HAD TO OBTAIN MEDICAL REPORTS FROM, ALL LAWYERS, THE LAW SOCIETY, PHILLIP YELLAND, ADRIAN FRASER WOULD HAVE BEEN INSURED BY ROYAL SUN ALLIANCE. SO WOULD SCOTTISH POWER. SO ARE THE PROFESSIONALS GOING TO SAY THE EMPLOYER CAUSED MR DAVIDSONS CONDITION. NO CHANCE, THIS IS THE LITIGATION SCAM THESE CROOKS MAKE MONEY FROM, AND THE INJURED PERSON WILL NEVER BE COMPENSATED. MEDICAL AND LEGALLY QUALIFIED BASTARDS WHO MAKE MONEY OUT OF PEOPLES MISERY.

But he claims Fraser did not file his Legal Aid application in time and "deliberately misled" him to cover his tracks. He is also accused of losing or binning vital files.

Alexander's case eventually became timebarred and he had to settle for just s3000. ALL LITIGATION LAWYERS DO THIS, THEY STRING CASES OUT, MILK THE LEGAL AID AND LET THE CLAIM RUN OVER THE THREE YEARS ALLOWED BY THE LIMITATION ACT. THIS IS WHAT MR CAMERON FYFE DID TO ME, AND HE WILL KEEP DOING IT.

He said: "Fraser has torn my life apart." MR ALEXANDER ALL LITIGATION LAWYERS AND DOCTORS DO THIS, THEY ARE EVIL PEOPLE.

The Law Society of Scotland ruled his actions "could amount to professional misconduct" and referred the case to the Scottish Solicitors' Discipline Tribunal but a report has still not been filed. They also ordered Fraser to pay Alexander s1000. STRANGE THEY REFUSED TO INVESTIGATE CAMERON FYFE FOR ME.

Philip Yelland, Law Society of Scotland director of regulation, said: "Complaints against Adrian Fraser are being investigated." YELLAND THE MASTER OF THE COVER UP.

Fraser became a fiscal in Edinburgh in 2004. His cases include that of former Labour MSP Watson, who was jailed in 2005 for fire-raising.

SUNDAY EMAIL

s.dinneen@sundaymail.co.uk

Anonymous said...

Sad Estate Of Affairs

Feb 1 2009 The Judge

MY dad left everything to me but two years after his death I'm still waiting for his estate to be wound up. How do I get things moving?

GIVE his lawyer 14 days to explain in writing what's happening and why there is a delay.

Speak to the executor and, if you can't get any answers, complain to the Law Society of Scotland.

THE LAW SOCIETY OF SCOTLAND ARE MURDERERS, NO POINT IN COMPLAINING TO THEM.

Anonymous said...

BBC NEWS

Gordon Brown said Parliament could not longer regulate itself. YES GORDON BUT NEITHER CAN ALL SELF REGULATORS. YOU ARE SCOTTISH, PLEASE LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO VICTIMS OF THE LEGAL PROFESSION, SUICIDES, POVERTY, WRECKED FAMILIES--END SELF REGULATION FOR ALL PROFESSIONS NOW.

Reforms to clean up Parliament are justified because the Commons could not continue as it was after the expenses scandal, Gordon Brown has told MPs. YES GORDON SELF REGULATORS ALWAYS REWARD THEMSELVES.

Mr Brown said the public were "disgusted and appalled" by some of the expenses claimed by MPs and they had to lose the right to regulate themselves. WE ARE ALSO DEVASTATED BY THE CONDUCT OF LAWYERS. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

External regulation would "not breach Parliamentary legitimacy", he added. NO GORDON IT SHOULD STRENGHTEN PUBLIC TRUST.

EXTERNAL REGULATION WOULD PROTECT THE PUBLIC FROM LAWYERS, DOCTORS, ACCOUNTANTS, STOP PROTECTING THE GUILTY-- GIVE US JUSTICE.

ONE FINAL THOUGHT. BEFORE SHIPMAN WAS CAUGHT, LINE 100 DOCTORS UP, WHICH ONE WILL BE A SERIAL KILLER?

Anonymous said...

Interesting subject as always Mr Cherbi.
No wonder people feel strongly about it now you have blown the suicide story - there should be arrests over it at least and all these people paraded on the tv and newspapers for us all to see and know.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I read in one of the comments that someone hopes for a prosecution of these legal thugs who caused the suicides.

If you take a look at the inquiry into the ICL factory in Glasgow today - where nothing doing as usual and no one really to blame you will see there will never be any prosecutions of these evil people.

I say throw them to the victims families and let them decide what to do with them.

THE SAME HAPPENED WITH THE CARE HOME FIRE IN UDDINGSTON. NO PROSECUTIONS BECAUSE THE PARTNERSHIP HAD BEEN DISSOLVED. STOCKLINE PLASTICS GAS EXPLOSION, THE LEGAL ESTABLISHMENT, ALL OF THE ABOVE I AM SURE ARE INSURED BY ROYAL & SUN ALLIANCE. PROSECUTIONS COLLAPSING BECAUSE THE CARE HOME PARTNERSHIP WAS DISSOLVED IS NOT THE REAL REASON FOR THIS. THE REAL REASON IS THAT THE LEGAL ESTABLISHMENT WANT TO PROTECT THEIR INSURERS FROM PAYING DAMAGES.

THE LINK BETWEEN BUSINESS AND THE JUDICIARY MUST BE BROKEN TO PREVENT THE ACCUSATION OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THE CURRENT SYSTEM PROTECTS THE GUILTY BECAUSE, THE LEGAL ESTABLISHMENT ARE DRIVEN TO PROTECT INSURERS NOT VICTIMS OF NEGLIGENCE. THE CROWN OFFICE AND PROCURATOR FISCAL WOULD NOT BE SO KEEN TO PROTECT INSURERS, IF THE VICTIMS WERE THEIR RELATIVES OR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE LEGAL ESTABLISHMENT.

Anonymous said...

Judge Smith found Shipman's "non-violent" killing almost incredible. "The way in which Shipman could kill, face the relatives and walk away unsuspected would be dismissed as fanciful if described in a work of fiction." Even more incredible was that his murders of so many people did not arouse suspicion for decades, even though there were supposedly safeguards in place at that time.

Clearly new safeguards are needed and a number of them are now in the works in Britain. For example, after he murdered a victim, Dr. Shipman would often arrange for the body to be cremated if the family did not object, thereby destroying evidence of his crime. Judge Smith points out that new pre-cremation procedures are needed to prevent future abuse. Also, the system failed tragically when Shipman, after being convicted of drug abuse in 1975, (DID PRIMARY CARE MANAGERS OF THE GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL KNOW ABOUT THIS)? was allowed to obtain enormous quantities of painkilling drugs. For example, in the name of a dying patient, Dr. Shipman obtained enough of the painkiller diamorphine to kill 360 people.

Is Shipman a one-off monster as some have suggested? There is growing evidence that he is not as rare as one hopes him to be. Disguised in the aura of respectability that normally surrounds medical professionals, (THEY ARE NOT RESPECTABLE) a number of monsters like Shipman have gradually been unmasked, but only after numerous deaths have taken place. These "angels of death" are not only doctors, but nurses, therapists, hospital workers and proprietors of care facilities for the sick and the elderly. Dr. Michael Swango killed his patients because it gave him a thrill and a feeling of power; Beverley Allitt and Genene Jones, pediatric nurses, killed their young patients to get more attention for themselves; Dr. Marcel Petiot and Dr. H.H. Holmes killed for money; Dr. Josef Mengele killed for political beliefs, and so on. The medical profession clearly needs more oversight if the world is to rid itself of this problem.

MORE OVERSIGHT ACTUALLY MEANS PATIENTS MUST BE INFORMED WHEN INFORMATION COMES TO LIGHT ABOUT ANYONE WITH ACCESS TO MEDICINES WHO CAN ADMINISTER THEM. SHIPMAN'S DRUG PROBLEM SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE NEWSPAPERS TO PROVIDE PATIENTS WITH AN INFORMED CHOICE AS TO WHETHER THEY WANTED HIM TO TREAT THEM OR NOT. BUT THE CULTURE IS THAT THE MEDICS CAREER IS MORE IMPORTANT THAT PATIENTS LIVES.

Anonymous said...

A WARNING TO THE PUBLIC

THE LAW SOCIETY OF SCOTLAND ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SUICIDES OF LAWYERS CLIENTS. COMPLAIN ABOUT YOUR LAWYER AND THEY WILL TORTURE YOU.

JUSTICE MINISTER MACASKILL STOP LAWYERS INVESTIGATING COMPLAINTS FROM THE PUBLIC NOW. LIKE MP'S EXPENSES WE NEED PROPER CLIENT PROTECTION, NOT COVER UP.
THE LAW SOCIETY OF SCOTLAND ARE PROTECTING CROOKED LAWYERS. END SELF REGULATION NOW.

Internet “A diary of injustice in Scotland by Peter Cherbi”
Petercherbi.blogspot.com/

Peter please publish this if you agree to this being displayed? Please edit wording if you feel there is a better way of getting the message across?

Anonymous said...

I have read through both those reports you linked to Mr Cherbi.
As a committed Christian I feel there should be a boycott of any legal service in Scotland now you have revealed there are suicides over what lawyers do to their clients.It is not acceptable that lives are lost over an insurance policy for lawyers and I hope your readers all take up this campaign and inform others of this terrible situation.

Anonymous said...

To the christian person who left the comment.

Personally I would not be surprised if lawyers murdered clients. Crushing clients by advising them to go to law firms linked to the legal defence union is state sponsored murder. MacAskill take note.

Self regulation gave the lawyers all of the power. Independent complaints handling is the only way to protect clients. I do not believe there is a lawyer anywhere who would care about a client killing himself, I do not see any lawyers taking legal action against other lawyers to protect clients.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I have read through both those reports you linked to Mr Cherbi.
As a committed Christian I feel there should be a boycott of any legal service in Scotland now you have revealed there are suicides over what lawyers do to their clients.It is not acceptable that lives are lost over an insurance policy for lawyers and I hope your readers all take up this campaign and inform others of this terrible situation.

3:45 PM

Well my friend I can assure you that there is only one way this will stop. Lawyers cannot be allowed to protect their colleagues.

Lawyers and their insurers would rather have a pile of clients corpses, like Auchwitz than expose a colleague or compensate a client. They and all self regulators have the morals of Hitler's SS camp guards. They can do what they want to clients because they are above the law, to protect money and reputations.

Anonymous said...

ONE FINAL THOUGHT. BEFORE SHIPMAN WAS CAUGHT, LINE 100 DOCTORS UP, WHICH ONE WILL BE A SERIAL KILLER?

This comment is scary, a kind of NHS national lottery no patient wants to win.

Anonymous said...

If lawyers as a whole do not help clients the profession is heading for the abyss. People will be frightened to trust a lawyer (rightly so).

I am a Chartered Surveyor. If I lost a lot of money on a construction contract, I would not go to the departure lounge, I would be out the door. But lawyers can lose, embezzle, clients money and their masters protect them. The law and the culture have to change for the good of clients and the legal profession. Clients driven to take their own lives cannot continue. Clearly these people were put through hell. Professional Bodies, corrupt to the core.

Dictatorships can never deal with claims against their members.

One final point, the RICS is overated too.

Anonymous said...

Letter to my local press.

I would like to warn readers of the dangers of using the services of a lawyer in Scotland. Peter Cherbi who campaigns on ending self regulation, has highlighted through his web site the horrendous consequences when lawyers fail clients. His latest article dated Wednesday July 15th has the heading "Suicides, illness, broken families and ruined clients reveal true cost of Law Societies Master Policy which 'allows solicitors to sleep at night'. The Master Policy is the Law Society of Scotland's compensation scheme, meant to remunerate the victims of crooked lawyers.

Peter states "Law Society officials linked to suicide of client who claimed against the Master Policy.

The suicide of one client who had dealings with the Master Policy, is apparently linked to senior officials at the Law Society of Scotland itself, who, when approached by the client to handle a complaint against his solicitor who had made major errors in handling legal business, recommended to the now deceased client he approach a well known firm of solicitors to sue his original solicitor and pursue a claim against the Master Policy for negligence. However, what the client did not know was the law firm which the now promoted Director of a department at the Law Society had recommended he approach, actually represented the Legal Defence Union, which exists to defend solicitors against both claims & complaints from clients, and who are involved in defending solicitors against over two thirds of the thousands of complaints made annually against lawyers by members of the public in Scotland, the victims of crooked lawyers".

So the Law Society advised the client to go to a law firm linked to the defence union for lawyers. This is a tragic example of the power of self regulators, and is not an isolated incident. Clients cannot find out if their potential lawyer has a criminal record in Scotland either. Readers can find out what they may be up against by looking at Peters web site A Diary of Injustice in Scotland, petercherbi.blogspot.com/ . I challenge any reader to go into a law firms office, and ask them to take a crooked lawyer to court. It will not happen.

Anonymous said...

To the christian person who posted the comment about the boycott of lawyers.

I hate lawyers and the medical profession. My sister had a strong family behind her or she could have ended her life. We understand what these families went and are still going through.

Lawyers, they are as decent as the Masters of Auchwitz, Birkenau, Treblinka. Make no mistake they would put us in gas chambers. I hate lawyers with a passion, family law, litigation, conveyencing the branch does not matter, they are all the same, bad to the bone who will and do destroy lives for profit.

This is a war the clients will not lost. Please do advise the congregation at your place of worship about the evil perpetrated by the Law Society of Scotland and their angels of death.

What is happening here is no different to someone in 1942 phoning Adolf Hitler complaining about the conduct of Eichmann, Himmler, Heidrich. The killing would have went on, and the person who phoned complaining would be murdered too. So make no mistake Scotland's Nazi will have to be crushed if clients are to have a justice system instead of a legal system.

Anonymous said...

The Law Society will not kill you by striking the blow, they will torture you like the Japanese during the pacific war, so that you take your own life.

They hold the key to justice and will not open that door for you if that means ruining a lawyers reputation. If you take your own life, they will rejoice because you are no longer a threat to them, or the other bastards known as Royal & Sun Alliance. Death to all lawyers and insurers, the ultimate scum.

Anonymous said...

Peter Cherbi said...

Lots of comments so far I'm afraid I am not able to publish due to their strength ... I do sympathise with the strong feelings on these issues, where yes, innocent people have taken their own lives due to the way they have been treated by the legal profession, but we must all be careful of what we write ...

I agree with you Peter. Good job they don't have total power instead of formidable power. We would end up in concentration camps. The anti lawyer industry is growing, for every victim there is multiple converts to end self regulation where families are strong. We are fighting ruthless evil, but honesty and right will always crush dishonesty, and day by day their power is diminishing through the medium of warning others.

The pressure groups will not fail. I think who do these bastards think they are, what gives them the right to ruin peoples lives? What gives them the right to steal a living by crushing other people who cannot work because of what happened to them. The truth is omnipotent, that is why lawyers cannot clear their names. They have this right because the system evolved this way. But lawyers be warned it will not stay this way. Kenny MacAskill shame on you for condoning the actions of client murderers.

Anonymous said...

BBC NEWS
Gas inhaling doctor can practise.

Dr Chahal worked at Ormskirk Hospital from August 2006 to July 2007

A doctor who inhaled "laughing gas" while on duty at a children's ward can continue to practise, the General Medical Council (GMC) has ruled.

The GMC panel ruled Dr Jonathan Chahal's fitness to practise was "impaired by reason of misconduct" at Ormskirk Hospital, where he worked.

The senior house officer used medical anaesthetic Entonox from a gas canister on four occasions in summer 2007.

He must abide by GMC conditions for the next year in order to practise.

The hearing in Manchester included a promise that Dr Chahal will confine himself to NHS hospital posts and must be supervised by a named consultant for the next 12 months.
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I was right, I said he would not get struck off. Just like John O'Donnell. The self regulators look after their own. Inhale drugs when looking after patients, steal clients money and keep your job. Will they behave when they have another crook overseeing their work? I doubt it.

Anonymous said...

These "angels of death" are not only doctors, but nurses, therapists, hospital workers and proprietors of care facilities for the sick and the elderly. Dr. Michael Swango killed his patients because it gave him a thrill and a feeling of power; Beverley Allitt and Genene Jones, pediatric nurses, killed their young patients to get more attention for themselves; Dr. Marcel Petiot and Dr. H.H. Holmes killed for money; Dr. Josef Mengele killed for political beliefs, and so on. The medical profession clearly needs more oversight if the world is to rid itself of this problem.
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Many people trust the medical profession. I do not, many of them are compulsive liars, evil, and ruthless. They are not worthy of respect either. There is much truth in the saying regarding medics "It is the one who you trust the most that will betray you". I look at them and think, What does another Shipman, Allitt or Jones look like? These people are the ones who would claim patients had mental health problems. Evil freaks that is what they are, and there are more of them out there now.
A doctor countersigning a firearm application form cannot be sure the patient will not shoot someone. The converse is also true, how can a patient be sure a medic is of sound mind and judgement. The person with the syringe is harder to detect. It makes you think.

Anonymous said...

Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill has so far not returned requests for comment on Monday’s report …

So Kenny MacAs---kill do we still owe a great debt to Scotland's Legal Profession. People losing everything including their lives so that your 10,000, oh I forgot you 10,001 untouchable criminals can keep stealing and ruining clients lives. As I have said before, people will not keep taking this shit.

It is time for you to go, a man who states we owe a great debt to the legal profession, is a man who condones what is happening here. You are not fit for the post you currently hold, and I have noticed you tend to be silent on issues that damage the reputations of lawyers.

The Law Society, is not fit to deal with complaints from the public. It is a criminal organisation protected by a criminal administration and Justice Secretary.

Anonymous said...

I like the idea of calling this thing the "Murder Policy".Gets the point across very well I feel.Hope to see plenty posters of it around each lawyers office in Scotland so people know who they are really dealing with !

Anonymous said...

I see John Swinney also demonstrated Kenneth Pritchard, like Douglas Mill protected lawyers by instructing law firms not to represent clients who wanted to claim for negligence.

These men are criminals themselves, Pritchard is overseeing court proceedings. How many other sheriffs, high court judges, advocates have been involved in protecting their own colleagues. What this demonstrates is that self regulation itself, is a criminal set up, and these people are masters of the cover up. How can any legal system operate fairly when the legal professionals morals should put them behind bars, not dealing with the public. Does MacAskill support this? Clearly he does. What I have noticed about these people, they share the same mental state as doctors and accountants in that they refuse to acknowledge any possibility of wrong doing in themselves or their colleagues. The only explanation for this is that they too share the same values, MacAskill would clearly order law firms not to represent lawyers victims. This set up is a total barrier to clients obtaining justice, and the Law Society of Scotland's and Marsh UK's culture of secrecy is sinister.

Independent regulation of the legal profession is the only solution to this most serious of problems.

Anonymous said...

The Scottish Legal Complaints Commission's website states,

"The Scottish Solicitors' Guarantee Fund protects those who have lost money because of the dishonesty of a solicitor or a member of their staff. It is a fund of last resort, which means it can only compensate those who have exhausted all other options, such as suing the solicitor for professional negligence. PEOPLE CANNOT SUE THEIR SOLICITOR. HOW CAN A CLIENT SUE THEIR SOLICITOR WHEN ALL OTHER SOLICITORS REFUSE TO TAKE THE CASE, OR AS IN THE FARMERS CASE THE LAW SOCIETY TELL HIM TO GO TO A LAW FIRM WHO REPRESENT THE LEGAL DEFENCE UNION, THEY ARE SICK EVIL PEOPLE. THE LAW SOCIETY CLEARLY DO NOT WANT TO FAIL SOLICITORS, THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN HELPING CLIENTS. Payments are discretionary and all legal firms in Scotland contribute annually to the fund". MONEY GOES IN AND STAYS THERE.

Anonymous said...

I have identified with much of this report Peter, not a victim directly but rather indirectly as I was the spouse of "the victim",
the spouse however, has suffered the same angst as the victim in our case,
property stolen, liviliehoods stolen, future stolen from lawyers who were supposed to protecting our interests instead of which they protected our opponents interests and their own!
After years and years of "forced litigation" we are homeless and penniless.
Complaints got us nowhere, and the stress and anxiety felt continues even today.

Anonymous said...

Lawyers string out cases, which are not in their interests to take to court. But the Paul McBrides of this world act quickly to defend the bum boy Haggarty, or Angela the drug dealing lawyer.

A lawyers mission statement should be "Milk the legal aid, kill the client". If a client could get to court with a case against their negligent lawyer, what would happen if Sheriff Kenneth Pritchard was overseeing court proceedings? This is one of the men John Swinney demonstrated was corrupt. Pritchard can sit in a court of law, and deal with cases when he has no decency in him. No doubt there will be a law firm who will offer Prtichard a job just like Sheriff Hugh Neilson who was caught by police in a massage parlour. Neilson said he was "only in for a shave".

Anonymous said...

"My wife left me, took my children, and I now have little hope of ever working again. I am shattered and have been diagnosed with depression, but the solicitor I originally complained against has a good life, is an outwardly respectable member of the community, but in reality is a thief who embezzled tens of thousands of pounds from my business, and ruined my business just to make sure he could buy up the bankrupt parts for himself which is what he actually did."
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This man states that his lawyer has "a good life, is an outward respectable member of the community", just like my GP in Hamilton.
These professionals will always have good lives after ruining clients and patients, because their colleagues protect them and to hell with the victim. When reputations are at risk, there is no such thing as a fair complaints system if that system self regulates. One day, I have predicted this, a victim will take the law into his own hands. I am surprised it has not happened to date, because these people trash lives for reputations and money.

Anonymous said...

An impressive blog Mr Cherbi.I think anyone who uses a lawyer has to read this material to understand what they will be up against when it all hits the wall.
Great stuff keep it up!

Anonymous said...

I wonder why the Judge at the Sunday Mail is advising people to complain to the Law Society of Scotland. Should it not be the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission? I do not trust that either.

Anonymous said...

At least two other suicides directly associated with clients dealings with the Master Policy are known, where in both cases, clients appeared to have been put under intolerable pressure, delay, deceit and intimidation by lawyers, the Law Society itself, and the insurers to the Master Policy, that the result of the entire process was to cause the claimants to end their lives after breaking under the strain of dealings with the apparently deadly Master Policy insurance scheme.
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Psychological Terrorists, that is what the Law Society of Scotland are. Murderers who drove these people to such dispair they ended their lives.

Anonymous said...

One direct quote from the report, depicts a claimant, who was forced to become a party litigant : "I keep fighting cases, and they keep coming at me, and now I have become ill. But they still keep coming at me. They threw me out onto the street, I couldn’t get my medication, I’ve got nothing, I was homeless, ill, sleeping in the car. Now I am appealing. But I can’t get a solicitor.

(WE ALL ARE IN THE SAME BOAT, BARRED FROM JUSTICE BECAUSE THIS ROTTEN SYSTEM OF SELF REGULATION PROTECTS THE GUILTY AND YOU AND THE REST OF US ARE SOLICITOR BARRED. WE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY THE CRIMINAL SETUP AND WE MUST FIGHT TO CHANGE IT. THE SOLICITORS AND ROYAL & SUN ALLIANCE ARE CRUSHING PEOPLE TO THE POINT OF DESTRUCTION TO SAVE MONEY AND REPUTATIONS. BUT WE WILL NEVER QUIT, I AM QUITE A PLACID PERSON BUT NOT WITH THIS. THESE CRIMINALS MUST BE STOPPED. THE PUBLIC MUST NEVER TRUST ANY SELF REGULATORS, TRASH THAT IS WHAT INHABITS THE LAW SOCIETY OF SCOTLAND, AND IT IS NOTHING MORE THAN A PROTECTION RACKET FOR ANYONE WITH A LAW DEGREE. THESE PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE WORD JUSTICE, ALL THEY UNDERSTAND IS PROTECTING EACH OTHER FROM THEIR CRIMINAL WAY OF LIFE, WHICH RUINS THE LAYPERSONS LIFE.

They are just shutting me down…. My health has been damaged, they kill you off. It's a proven fact. All of us have stress related problems after years and years of stress."

Anonymous said...

God in Heaven.Anyone involved with this Master Policy must be truly evil.

ALL LAWYERS ARE EVIL, THE LOWEST FORM OF LIFE. WHEN YOU DEAL WITH THE LAW SOCIETY, YOU DEAL WITH EVIL. THEY ROB YOU OF EVERYTHING YOU HAVE, AND THEN SPIT ON YOU BECAUSE THE SELF REGULATORY SYSTEM FACILITATES THIS.

Anonymous said...

Lawyers are criminals because other lawyers check their conduct. This is a mandate for corruption in any profession.

Anonymous said...

Peter.
This is a good posting on a very technical subject but I think your focus on the suicide issue along with the cost to people of this "master policy" should really be picked up by the media.
If not I have to ask the question why are papers blind siding a story about people dying to allow lawyers to sleep at night ?
Now THAT has to be news unless of course someone does not want it in the general media ?

Peter Cherbi said...

Strong comments from some, although I can understand the strength of feeling due to the issue of clients of 'crooked lawyers' being driven to suicide simply because they try to secure a fair hearing in Scots law which Scots law itself is denying all of us.

I am quite supportive of campaigns and protests against the workings of the Law Society, the SLCC, the Faculty of Advocates & the Master Policy. What is going on, particularly with the Master Policy affects us all .. and it should not be forgotten that millions of pounds of taxpayers money also goes to the insurers who are part of the Master Policy, in terms of Government contracts, in Scotland and the rest of the UK.

In my view, and I dare say many others ... it must be morally wrong to be a part of an insurance scheme which thrives on the demise (even death) of claimants & awards bonuses to negligent or 'crooked' lawyers for their efforts in destroying a client's case.

# Anonymous @ 8.29am

I would like to hear more of your case.

# Anonymous @ 9.30pm

Yes .. quite clearly the Law Society do not want any negative publicity mentioned in the media about the Master Policy.

We are after all, living in censored Scotland ...

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I have read through both those reports you linked to Mr Cherbi.
As a committed Christian I feel there should be a boycott of any legal service in Scotland now you have revealed there are suicides over what lawyers do to their clients.It is not acceptable that lives are lost over an insurance policy for lawyers and I hope your readers all take up this campaign and inform others of this terrible situation.

3:45 PM It is not just about insurance, a lawyers reputation will have to be in tatters for the insurance to pay the lawyers client. It is about protecting reputations and insurers.

Anonymous said...

Suicides, illness, family breakdown, loss of homes, loss of livelihood were all identified by interviewees as being directly associated with members of the public’s dealings with the Law Society & Master Policy.
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Clearly these lawyers and Royal & Sun Alliance are a criminal alliance, who will stop at nothing to keep things they way they are.
I think they would be capable of genocide to protect their own. The Law Society want this kept as quite as possible, it is our duty to tell everyone.

The report findings are indicative of the evil sadistic bastards lawyers are, you law students take note, get a job in another field, or be stigmatised for the rest of your life as a state protected criminal.

Anonymous said...

In my view, and I dare say many others ... it must be morally wrong to be a part of an insurance scheme which thrives on the demise (even death) of claimants & awards bonuses to negligent or 'crooked' lawyers for their efforts in destroying a client's case.

I agree with you Peter and I am sure all decent people will agree also. However, we are dealing with evil people who clearly do not care and they think this setup is morally right. They rip your soul to shreds, and want forgiveness, GP's are the same. The self regulators are all the same, they police their own conduct and that is why these tragedies are happening.

One day a client will be tortured so much they will___. Then all lawyers and their doctor buddies will reject diminished responsibility, to deter other clients or patients. The self regulators hold all of the cards, and are totally ruthless people.

Anonymous said...

Shipman would have got away with his murders. He murdered the mother of a lawyer, and used her typewriter to change the old ladies will. That is what triggered the initial investigation.

Anonymous said...

The Law Society clearly has formidible power. When I look at the Scotland Against Crooked Lawyers website www.sacl/info the following lawyers are or have been MSP's

Nicola Sturgeon

The infamous Kenny MacAskill

Christine Graham

Roseanna Cunningham

Fergus Ewing

Annabel Goldie, good on you for resigning from the Justice 2 committee.

Robert Brown

Murdo Frazer

David McLetchie- the taxi man.

Pauline McNeill

Lord James Douglas Hamilton

Jim Wallace QC

Gordon Jackson QC

I wonder what the people named above think of clients being tortured to suicide. I also wonder who is really running the country, the unelected Law Society of Scotland with their agents named above. I urge all voters to not vote for lawyer candidates (yes descriminate against them) standing for election the the Scottish Parliament. We cannot get a lawyer, so we are suffering descrimination every day. Many of our MSP's want to keep things that way. Vote the lawyers out if they are against us, and they will be.

Anonymous said...

Peter.I agree with you about the level of censorship in Scotland.
I have a relative who works for a newspaper (I wont name which one but it was once regarded as a decent rag - not now) and he said anything to do with bad publicity towards the legal profession has to be handled with care or left out if no one else is running it.
Freedom of the press is a myth at least in Scotland.

Anonymous said...

Anyone would have to be pretty thick skinned (or just a lawyer) not to agree with you on this one Peter.

Good luck and a great blog !

Anonymous said...

In response to the comment at 4:17 PM.

I agree with you. In a so called democracy we need freedom of speech as our fundamental right. However if the press are wary of reporting negative issues regarding the legal profession then who is running the show. If the situation is developing where the legal establishment can prevent the press reporting an issue about legal corruption where are we heading. A dictatorship. Do we have a democracy or the thin end of a sinister wedge called the crushing of free speech, and expression. As soon as the lawyers and or parliament control the press we no longer have a democracy. In my opinion it is the duty of the press to report corruption, and those rags who fail us are not fit to be journalists.

News needs to be reported good and bad and not reporting issues about legal corruption strengthens the Law Society, Crown Office, Faculty of Advocates etc.

Anonymous said...

"I keep fighting cases, and they keep coming at me, and now I have become ill. But they still keep coming at me. They threw me out onto the street, I couldn’t get my medication, I’ve got nothing, I was homeless, ill, sleeping in the car. Now I am appealing. But I can’t get a solicitor. (They are just shutting me down….) To the person who said the words in brackets, I have said these works countless times, I complained to

The Law Society Of Scotland.

General Medical Council.

SLSO.

I wrote with supporting documentary evidence to the sheriff at Hamilton Sheriff Court. They told me the sheriff could not give a legal opinion (I still have the letter) but the sheriff clerk advised me to get a lawyer, this has been impossible no one law firm in Hamilton would help. I tried a law firm in Edinburgh, they would not help either. I gave up trying to get a lawyer, now I realise I needed a McKenzie Friend.

If you want to take a crooked lawyer or doctor to court the (legal system shuts down on you). That is why lawyers cannot remain in charge of access to justice. You stand alone against the might of professionals who can and do, do what they want because there is no mechanism in Scots law to stop them. They use their loyalties to each other and their insurers to crush you, and it is a horrific traumatic experience. It really makes you think about the type of country you live in.

Anonymous said...

After years and years of "forced litigation" we are homeless and penniless.
Complaints got us nowhere, and the stress and anxiety felt continues even today.
8:29 AM

We totally agree with you "complaints got us nowhere either" we found the harder we tried to expose our crooked lawyer the greater the resistance from the authorities. These people are all stealing from clients, and they can get away with it because of the self protectionism of self regulation.

Let us put it this way, it clients could embezzle a law firms money, the procurator fiscals in Scotland would be sending us to face the wrath of the courts. Lawyers stealing money have resulted in suicides because, complaining to the Law Society results in the client being represented by the Legal Defence Union, who are there to protect the very Master Policy the poor client is trying to claim against. This setup actually encourages corruption, it is criminality at it's worst and the system is totally against the users of legal services.
I have seen two comments thus,

Complaints got us nowhere.

They are closing me down.

To all people who have not been the victim of a crooked lawyer, you have no chance. Everywhere you complain to close you down, law society, courts, law firms will not help you. People with no rights are slaves, you and I the people of Scotland are legal slaves, make no mistake, this profession take you back to the dark days of dictatorships. They can do what they want to you, because there is nothing in place to protect the client. My advice to you, the Law Society will crush you. That is also why the new Scottish Legal Complaints Commission will not investigate complaints before October 2008. That will get the director of the Law Society off the hook who sent the suicide victim to the Legal Defence Union to represent him against his crooked lawyer.
This man and his family had no chance. Criminal charges should be applied to this director who works for an organisation who by statute, must protect clients from crooked lawyers. He should be charged with breaching this man's human rights because like Douglas Mill, and Kenneth Pritchard, he is a criminal.

It is the duty of everyone in Scotland to tell everyone you know about this. You or someone you know, may be the next victim. Everyone is at risk from this totalitarian legal system, where clients are barred from a fair legal hearing because the powers that be are determined to protect the reputations of criminals with law degrees. It is a scandal that a system like this prevails in a democracy. But then is it a democracy? You decide?

Anonymous said...

They threw me out onto the street, I couldn’t get my medication, I’ve got nothing, I was homeless, ill, sleeping in the car. Now I am appealing. But I can’t get a solicitor.

When you could not get your medication was a doctor involved in the corruption also? I know a doctor who lied in medical report to the court during a litigation case. He then stopped his patients incapacity benefit to starve her into submission. Why, because her documents had been sequestrated by the court, if the case went to trial she would have found out her GP was distorting her medical records. Her lawyer would not help her either. Her family supported her, but she had no money at all from September to January when her employer terminated her contract. She was staying with her mother at the time, so she had no rent or mortgage. We conclude as her employer, lawyer and GP were all insured by Royal & Sun Alliance the lawyer and GP cut off her money supply to starve her into submission. The written evidence shows that the court was told she had been seeing a psychiatrist for twenty years, but the same doctor told the benefits agency doctor the truth, she had no mental health problems.

What the public are dealing with are clubs of powerful criminals, who use self regulation to cover their criminality. They are simply evil and totally ruthless. The courts, law firms, law society, general medical council, NHS primary care are totally supportive of these crooked professionals, that is why they still work today. I warn the public that it does not matter who you go to, the above will leave you powerless, and they can do what they want because the system is as corrupt as they are.

Anonymous said...

There is a report on the news today that Police are being charged over the death of Police Dogs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8160753.stm

If thats the case then these ********* at the Law Society and Marsh should be charged with the deaths of lawyers clients who committed suicide over the way they were treated.

Anonymous said...

The corruption highlighted here convinces me there would be no point in a getting a lawyer to act against another lawyer anyway. They would work for the crooked lawyer the individual was trying to sue.

Lawyers are a kind of powerful brotherhood, that is why they must never be allowed to deal with claims and complaints from clients.

Anonymous said...

I have had a look through the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission minutes of their meetings. This is as corrupt as the Law Society of Scotland, transparency, a joke the Commissions meetings are mostly redacted.

This is sinister, another Law Society with a different name, get the lawyers out MacAskill. You are clearly not on the side of your constituents or the rest of the Scottish people.

Anonymous said...

Hi Peter
No need to worry.I am well persuaded by what you write these people are all guilty as sin and deserve whatever is coming to them after all the mess they have caused for clients.

Anonymous said...

You are good at FOi and that kind of stuff Peter.Have you any comment on the Policewoman who was done for data protection breaches ? : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8161565.stm

Anonymous said...

Nicola Sturgeon

The infamous Kenny MacAskill

Christine Graham

Roseanna Cunningham

Fergus Ewing

Annabel Goldie, good on you for resigning from the Justice 2 committee.

Robert Brown

Murdo Frazer

David McLetchie- the taxi man.

Pauline McNeill

Lord James Douglas Hamilton

Jim Wallace QC

Gordon Jackson QC

Do not look for justice from any of these people, they are in parliament to undermine the cries for justice from lawyers victims.

Anonymous said...

If you lawyers think you can keep destroying peoples lives and get away with it you are idiots. Only the most foolish people would do this.

Put it this way lawyers, imagine you are lay people, through legal corruption you have lost your ability to work, your money, your house, the wife leaves and takes the kids, what have you left except chronic dispair, your life ruined, you have lawyers left, like I said you lawyers are fucking fools.

Peter Cherbi said...

Thanks for all your continued comments.

I understand from sources there has been a great deal of debate about the academics report on the Master Policy & Guarantee Fund, and the Law Society are "unhappy with the findings", so much that some opposed publication.

I doubt Professor Stephen & Dr Melville's report could have been carried out in Scotland - everyone up here is simply too afraid of losing their academic career to compile such an expose of the workings of the legal profession ... but there is much more to be discovered & published relating to how claims against solicitors are handled in Scotland.

Once again, I would ask readers who make comments to moderate what they write, for your and my protection !..

More to come on the SLCC and injustice in the Scottish legal system in the next article ...

Anonymous said...

Well Peter all I can say is your blog is brill and if I had my way every lawyer involved in these scams would be under lock & key with the key thrown away !

Good work and keep it up !

Anonymous said...

If you want to take a crooked lawyer or doctor to court the (legal system shuts down on you). That is why lawyers cannot remain in charge of access to justice. You stand alone against the might of professionals who can and do, do what they want because there is no mechanism in Scots law to stop them. They use their loyalties to each other and their insurers to crush you, and it is a horrific traumatic experience. It really makes you think about the type of country you live in.

12:19 AM

Doctors will criticise what I am about to write, but I am convinced that people are better avoiding GP's at all costs.

In litigation you have no chance because even if your GP knows you have been injured at work, they will use and distort your medical records and cover it up. GP are as committed to stop you suing your employer as Shipman was to murdering his patients. When they cover it up and you cannot get a lawyer to act for you, the medical and legal defence unions spring into action to defend them.

Everywhere you go does not want to know. It is a system where everyone is insured by Royal Sun Alliance, and the GP's would administer fatal drugs to you before they or consultants would say your employer caused your injuries.

In the UK it costs employers time and money defending litigation. But do not be fooled, everyone except you is insured by the same company, so the doctors and lawyers are going to hurt you, to keep their insurance premiums increasing.

It is an easy way around the Health & Safety Laws, and people are being injured and it is being covered up. It is a litigation SCAM so that lawyers and doctors can make money, from Legal Aid, and perhaps a bag of cash from their insurers.

If reliable data was available I am convinced litigation of this kind has a 100% failure rate for the person suing for damages. The outcome of your case is decided before you sign legal aid forms.

I have left similar messages on Peter's blog before, and I note that not one lawyer or doctor has challenged what I have said. If anyone has tried suing their employer for damages, and the case was decided on medical evidence (Always a medical cover-up) your lawyer and GP, the consultants have found out what really happened to you, then produced false reports to hide the injuries. Mr Cameron Fyfe of Ross Harper Solicitors is a master of this.

Anonymous said...

There is one major difference between lawyers and the Nazi's, in most cases the Nazi's killed their victims quickly.

Lawyers are masters of the sinister game, they leave clients like a ship with no engine, sail or rudder, powerless the ship does not get into port, the client will never get to court.

These is one think I am sure of, The Law Society of Scotland will be buying new document shredders or tons of black ink to cover up their documents and sewer rat morals. We are not offensive Eileen Masterman, we are just fighting for a fail justice system where descrimination is outlawed.

Mr MacAskill people have taken their own lives, what manner of man are you who can stand by and condone this? Do you have any decency?

Anonymous said...

Hi Peter.
If you write about lawyers causing suicides you have to expect to get people's backs up and rightly so people should have their backs up over this.
lawyers causing suicides of their clients should be thrown out of the profession along with the Law Society itself and these damned insurers.Lives for an insurance policy is just not worth it.

Anonymous said...

How can Kenny MacAskill stand in the way of the Freedom of Information Act applying to The Law Society of Scotland now? Do you still want to protect your agents of torture Kenny?

These should also be no redacting of documents. What is the point of FOI Laws if redacting of documents is allowed. It is argued redacting is used to protect personal information, bullshit any redaction means the lawyers are back to their old tricks.

Anonymous said...

In the UK it costs employers time and money defending litigation. But do not be fooled, everyone except you is insured by the same company, so the doctors and lawyers are going to hurt you, (to keep their insurance premiums increasing).

My Comment at 11:48 My mistake I meant to say PREVENT THEIR INSURANCE PREMIUMS INCREASING.

Anonymous said...

Very interesting reading that scc report about complaints against lawyers.First time I've seen it but why hasn't something been done sooner?

Anonymous said...

Mr Cherbi,

Regarding the terrible suicide of the farmer.

Will we find out the name of the Law Society director who sent him to the law firm representing the legal defence union?

Do you know the name of the law firm?

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

I doubt Professor Stephen & Dr Melville's report could have been carried out in Scotland - everyone up here is simply too afraid of losing their academic career to compile such an expose of the workings of the legal profession.

I agree with you Peter but what you say here is disturbing, because it speaks volumes about the power of The Law Society of Scotland. I am not surprised the latter are concerned by Professor Stephen & Dr Melville's report because there should be a public outcry about the power these people have. If more suicides are to be prevented, MacAskill must act or his position will be untenable. He cannot defend a system like this and call himself a justice minister.

The people who know about this owe a great debt to members of the public, in that we must inform them of what is happening here. Because many people have not dealt with lawyers, does not mean they will never deal with lawyers. The day to day activities people are involved in, borrowing for a house, divorce, wills, all require lawyers at some point.

Foolish is the individual who believes they will never need the services of a lawyer.

Anonymous said...

Mr Kenny MacAskill MSP. Current Justice Minister.
Member for:
Edinburgh East and Musselburgh

Party:
Scottish National Party

Education:
Edinburgh University
LLB (Hons) An Honours Degree in Law.

Career History:
1984-2000
Senior Partner Law firm, Edinburgh.

This is why Mr MacAskill finds it abhorrent to do what John Swinney has done, stand by the Scottish Electorate. With your past career and education Mr MacAskill how can you possibly remain in your current position as Justice Minister. Your CV would be more suited to a position in the Law Society of Scotland, where let us be honest, your heart is.

Anonymous said...

SCOTLAND AGAINST CROOKED LAWYERS STATE

"We have received over 100 complaints about the conduct of Philip Yelland in his capacity as Law Society 'Client Relations Director'. Victims of crooked solicitors refer to him as "the most corrupt man in Scotland" and such strong feelings are supported by overwhelming statistical, documentary and eyewitness evidence. The evidence proves, beyond any doubt, the Law Society deny victims justice by protecting rogue solicitors from the consequences of misconduct and collude with the Insurers to limit or negate payouts to victims".

Anonymous said...

SCOTLAND AGAINST CROOKED LAWYERS STATE.

"Kenneth Pritchard OBE, WS. Former Secretary and Chief Executive Law Society of Scotland. Part-time Sheriff. Former Chairman of the Temporary Sheriffs' Association.

Pritchard's covert attempt to defeat a perfectly valid solicitor negligence claim was recently exposed in parliament by John Swinney MSP. In his capacity as Law Society Secretary, Pritchard actively encouraged a firm of solicitors NOT to act for an individual whose life was effectively ruined by crooked lawyers. The victim, Iain McIntyre, was ultimately successful in his damages claim - a settlement that we cannot comment on for "legal reasons" i.e. Mr McIntyre was forced to remain silent about the legal crookery in order to receive just partial recompense".

Anonymous said...

Brilliant work Peter, and it is wonderful to have the academics findings. Clearly the Law Society waiting over a month to supply key data to the report authors is very damaging for them.

We can also conclude it must have been more damaging for the Law Society to supply data, when requested for inclusion in the report because if there was nothing to hide there would have been no delay. This Law Society is a criminal organisation, and their power must be curbed if people are to have any chance of justice. No doubt, as one lawyer recently stated "Saving Private Penmann has cost us dearly". Saving the director who advised the farmer, will cost the Law Society a lot more. The evidence is mounting of a totally corrupt regulator.

Clearly Professor Stephen and Dr Melville have been free to reach their conclusions based on the evidence before them. This is what the people of Scotland require, not endemic cover up from an organisation who are duty bound by statute to protect clients, and regulate lawyers but do neither. They oppress clients and protect lawyers, that is what the Law Society of Scotland do, and they must lose the power to cover everything up as a matter of urgency.
How these people can sleep at night is beyond me.

Anonymous said...

"The Law Society are a professional organisation and are not covered in the Freedom of Information Act. There is no intention to include them in the review.".

This is a quotation from Mr Kenny MacAskill. It is criminal that this situation continues when lives are being lost. I remind you Mr MacAskill what we always knew, a professional organisation does not mean an honest organisation.

Make the Law Society FOI compliant, make redacting of documents illegal, and end self regulation now. Phillip Yelland I am sure you have a place for Mr MacAskill in your organisation because that is where he belongs.

Anonymous said...

The list of msps posted at 1136pm

They should all be thrown out of Parliament.We dont need lawyers representing lawyers interests while pretending to represent ours.

None of those people have done any good except for themselves.

Peter Cherbi said...

# Anonymous @ 2.14pm

Yes I do know the name of the Law Society director who sent the suicide victim to the law firm who acted for the Legal Defence Union.

I have not named the law firm or the Law Society official yet but they will be named ... and readers should be able to guess without too much trouble as I have featured that same Law Society official several times in articles, and I think anyone dealing with the Law Society will have had dealings with this particular official ...

Incidentally Jane Irvine as former SLSO knows all about the case as her predecessor made two reports into the client's complaints against law firms and the Law Society ... but so far, no comment and no action on relieving individuals of their problems connected with the Master Policy.

Perhaps the SLCC have simply become spectators to the continued persecution of clients of crooked lawyers ... or willing participants ?

# Anonymous @ 2.54pm

I agree with you entirely .. the Law Society appear to have far too much power & influence over what is published regarding client's cases against corrupt solicitors. It is most certainly our job to publicise these issues as much as possible.

# Anonymous @ 3.47pm

Yes .. but Mr MacAskill's CV seems to omit the law firms he worked at (his own, I believe) and those he associated with.

Is he too ashamed to name those firms, or is there something to hide I wonder ?

# Anonymous @ 3.57pm & 3.58pm

Yes .. I certainly agree with SACL on those issues, as of course must John Swinney .. after all, it was he who talked about them in Parliament ....

# Anonymous @ 5.58pm

I understand there was a great deal of posturing & the playing out of tactics by the Law Society & members of the SLCC over the research into the Master Policy.

Considering the background I have been told of events, I'm surprised we ever got to see the final report.

These people sleep at night because they admire causing the deaths of clients, for personal profit. If they didn't admire it, one of the 10,000 would have stood up, called the Master Policy corrupt, and done something about it .. no one has .. so what does that tell you about Scotland's 10,000 solicitors ...

# Anonymous @ 7.34pm

Yes, I agree .. make the Law Society FOI compliant .. and take away all its regulatory & disciplinary powers.

# Anonymous @ 9.40pm

Quite correct ...

Anonymous said...

"These people sleep at night because they admire causing the deaths of clients, for personal profit. If they didn't admire it, one of the 10,000 would have stood up, called the Master Policy corrupt, and done something about it .. no one has .. so what does that tell you about Scotland's 10,000 solicitors ..."

Spot on !

Too much money involved for any bloody lawyer to care a damn about clients killing themselves over their plundering.People get up and do something about this!

Anonymous said...

If a lawyer broke my family I'd ...........

Anonymous said...

I dont think much of this slcc for all they've said so far.How about actually doing something instead of doing research into what they already know is going on?
Keep up the good work Peter.You are the only writer on law stuff who makes any sense these days to ordinary people.

Anonymous said...

Of course, everyone laughs at people who claim injustice, don't they ? its funny .. it didn’t happen to someone (yet) so they are not too bothered … but they stop laughing fast when they fall victim to an injustice that also cannot be put right because the same politicians of our present day who cry ‘Scotland ahoy’ and claim to represent our best interests, are too busy prostituting themselves generally to those who are causing the injustice, for top dollar.
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The above statement by Mr Cherbi, is relative to all human conflict, and humans like governments act in their own self interest.

Now call me a pessimist, but one day this situation will cause a nuclear exchange that will destroy our wonderful planet, and if there are any survivors where are they going to go. Space ship Earth will have nuclear fallout, the sun blocked out causing permanent darkness, and a nuclear winter. No medical facilities, and radioactive air. The same injustice that blights Scotland's legal services industry, will ultimatley destroy us all.

Anonymous said...

Mr Cherbi,

The Law Society are criminals, do you think they will use violence again, and if so do the Law Society control Scotlands Police Forces. Now that would be disturbing.

How much at risk are the pressure groups?

Anonymous said...

Peter,

My local paper did not print the letter I sent regarding the suicide of clients due to the Master Policy. They must be afraid of the Law Society.

Anonymous said...

These lawyers are an evil regime. the Law Society of Scotland do control the press, sinister indeed.

Peter Cherbi said...

# Anonymous @ 10.24am

There is sufficient evidence from clients who have complained against their solicitors to the Law Society that their solicitor has used their 'connections' with local Police to cause problems for the complaining client and that the Law Society, while aware of this, has never done anything about it, nor have they acknowledged the course of events or properly investigated them as part of the original complaint.

Inevitably local law firms do 'develop' links with some in authority, so clients who complain against their solicitors should be on the look out for trouble ahead ... and waste no time reporting such matters to the media, and myself.

'Pressure Groups' are always at risk from the institutions they campaign against .. however campaigning against the legal system itself must certainly generate the most risks.

Suffice to read my earlier reports on the conduct of the SLCC's lawyer members & Senior officials towards 'Pressure Groups' to show the attitude towards citizens who dare dispute the profession's line on things ... again, campaigners do need to be aware the Law Society is no friend of openness or transparency, as thousands of cases of 'crooked lawyers' getting away with it over the years have proved.

A comment made late last night which I have not published, does identify the Law Society official who featured in my article to a legal firm which represented the Legal Defence Union.

That identification was correct, although a more detailed report on the story will be run at a later date.

Anonymous said...

and I take it MacAskill has still not returned comment ?

What a sicko.
I wonder how much he benefited from paying into the Master Policy ?
Dark secrets to come ?

Anonymous said...

There is sufficient evidence from clients who have complained against their solicitors to the Law Society that their solicitor has used their 'connections' with local Police to cause problems for the complaining client and that the Law Society, while aware of this, has never done anything about it, nor have they acknowledged the course of events or properly investigated them as part of the original complaint.
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Potential dictatorship or democracy?

The press are frightened from the Law Society of Scotland, and this is dangerous. Perhaps if the police are in the pockets of solicitors, the latter will order murders of clients, and the police will fail to collect enough evidence. State controlled murderers, I believe anything is possible.

It seems to the the Nazi party and the Law Society of Scotland have a lot in common.

Anonymous said...

That identification was correct, although a more detailed report on the story will be run at a later date.
2:12 PM

Good afternoon Peter,

Based on past events with Mill and Pritchard being exposed as crooked, Yellands position must surely be untenable when you reveal that he sent the farmer to the law firm who represent the Legal Defence Union.

The more I am learning the more convinced I become we are fighting intense evil. What kind of mindset do these people have?

Anonymous said...

BBC NEWS

Date set for Rosepark death probe
Rosepark nursing home
The Rosepark Care Home firm was dissolved after the fire

The inquiry into a Lanarkshire nursing home fire in which 14 residents died will begin in November, the Crown Office has announced.

The probe, which will investigate the circumstances surrounding the blaze, at the Rosepark Care Home in Uddingston in 2004, will be held in Motherwell.

The fatal accident inquiry came after three failed attempts to prosecute the former owners of the care home.

It is expected to last several months, Lord Advocate Elish Angiolini said.

Sheriff Principal Brian Lockhart will preside over the fatal accident inquiry, due to start on 16 November at Motherwell's Gospel Literature Outreach Centre.

It aims to determine the full circumstances of the fire, and to identify action to stop a similar incident happening again.

In May, a judge threw out a prosecution against former Rosepark owners Tom Balmer, his wife Anne and son Alan, saying they could not be held responsible, as the Rosepark Care Home firm they ran had been dissolved.

First Minister Alex Salmond said the case had raised a "genuine gap" in the law which must be addressed.
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Is there a link between the insurers of the legal profession, and the insurers of the Partnership, Rosepark Nursing Home?

Dissolve the partnership, the partners would still be liable for revenues owed to the Inland Revenue etc. So the message is clear, dissolve the partnership, extinguish liability if you are negligent.

Anonymous said...

Information on the Pursuers' Panel For Professional Negligence Claims Against Solicitors
What is the Pursuers' Panel?

The Panel consists of six solicitors selected by the Society on the basis of their expertise in dealing with professional negligence claims to assist members of the public with advice about negligence claims against solicitors and, where appropriate, to assist solicitors already advising members of the public in connection with the handling of negligence claims against other solicitors.

Each member of the Panel is available to deal with negligence claims against other solicitors on an individual basis. However, where a claimant is already represented by a solicitor in relation to a negligence claim against another solicitor, members of the Panel will not provide advice to or act for that claimant, unless the existing solicitor refers the matter to a member of the Panel. It should be emphasised that members of the Panel are happy to receive referrals from other solicitors, either to handle the whole claim, or to assist with advice in relation to any aspect of a claim.

IF THE PUBLIC BELIEVE THIS BULLSHIT THEY HAVE NEVER DEALT WITH A COMPLAINT AGAINST A LAWYER. THE PERSUERS PANEL WILL PERSUE THE CLIENTS TO THE ABYSS. PLEASE NEVER TRUST THESE BASTARDS, THEY WILL BE MEMBERS OF THE LEGAL DEFENCE UNION.

Anonymous said...

I am now convinced there is no such thing as an honest lawyer, totally shocking what these people are getting away with.

Anonymous said...

In a summary, if you make a claim against your solicitor, your solicitor is entitled to make a claim for indemnity from the Master Policy insurers. (OKAY) Provided it is established that you have a valid claim, the Master Policy insurers will meet the solicitor's liability to you to meet your claim. (OKAY) Not every claim will involve the insurers. Whether or not the Master Policy insurers become involved you still have to establish that your solicitor was negligent. (THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. LAWYERS INVESTIGATING MY COMPLAINT CLIENTS YOU HAVE NO CHANCE). Depending on the circumstances, you may find that the Master Policy insurers (or solicitors instructed by them) become involved in responding to your claim. Where that happens, you will be sent a copy of the Master Policy Claims Handling Philosophy which is a statement of how the insurers seek to resolve claims. Further information on the Master Policy may be obtained by emailing David Cullen at the Law Society of Scotland.

LAWYERS INSURED BY ROYAL & SUN ALLIANCE ARE GOING TO RULE MY LAWYER IS NEGLIGENT, I HAVE MORE CHANCE OF BOOKING A FLIGHT TO MARS.

Anonymous said...

So now we know, the research confirms that the Master Policy is only ever designed to protect lawyers, and has no place in protecting the public from them.

Anonymous said...

"These people sleep at night because they admire causing the deaths of clients, for personal profit.


They are evil incarnate then.

Peter Cherbi said...

# Anonymous @ 6.25pm

I wouldn't trust the Pursuers Panel or recommend them to anyone seeking to raise a claim against their solicitor.

I would describe the Pursuers Panel as a Law Society 'front' for managing and killing off claims against 'crooked lawyers' ...

# Anonymous @ 8.58pm

Exactly ... although the Law Society seem to be able to get their point across in some outlets that the Master Policy still offers 'the last word' in consumer protection ... but with so many people who have trued to lodge claims against it feeling otherwise ... the Law Society's claims are a nonsense ...

# Anonymous @ 10.15pm

Yes, they probably are, and very greedy too.

Anonymous said...

Peter.
Money talks and rewrites reality.Its your task to see they dont get away with it and anyone who cares enough to do something about it!

Anonymous said...

No fancy words needed.These people are murderers pure & simple.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
BBC NEWS

Date set for Rosepark death probe
Rosepark nursing home.
The Rosepark Care Home firm was dissolved after the fire.

The inquiry into a Lanarkshire nursing home fire in which 14 residents died will begin in November, the Crown Office has announced.

The probe, which will investigate the circumstances surrounding the blaze, at the Rosepark Care Home in Uddingston in 2004, will be held in Motherwell.

The fatal accident inquiry came after three failed attempts to prosecute the former owners of the care home.

It is expected to last several months, Lord Advocate Elish Angiolini said.

Sheriff Principal Brian Lockhart will preside over the fatal accident inquiry, due to start on 16 November at Motherwell's Gospel Literature Outreach Centre.

It aims to determine the full circumstances of the fire, and to identify action to stop a similar incident happening again. (BUT NOT APPORTION BLAME).

In May, a judge threw out a prosecution against former Rosepark owners Tom Balmer, his wife Anne and son Alan, saying they could not be held responsible, as the Rosepark Care Home firm they ran had been dissolved. I DISAGREE, THE LEGAL PROFESSION AND ROSEPARK CARE HOME WERE MOST CERTAINLY INSURED BY ROYAL & SUN ALLIANCE. PERHAPS THE LEGAL ESTABLISHMENT ARE PROTECTING THEIR INSURERS, THEY DO THIS WITH THE MASTER POLICY, SAME PRINCIPLE. STATE PROSECUTIONS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN LAW BECAUSE THE PARTNERSHIP NO LONGER EXISTS, THE OWNERS ARE OFF THE HOOK, AND SO ARE ROYAL & SUN ALLIANCE. THE LEGAL DECISION IS NOT SO MUCH THE ISSUE AS THE MOTIVES BEHIND THAT DECISION.

Anonymous said...

Information on the Pursuers' Panel For Professional Negligence Claims Against Solicitors
What is the Pursuers' Panel?

The Panel consists of six solicitors selected by the Society on the basis of their expertise in dealing with professional negligence claims to assist members of the public with advice about negligence claims against solicitors and, where appropriate, to assist solicitors already advising members of the public in connection with the handling of negligence claims against other solicitors.

A MESSAGE FOR ALL CLIENTS, what is stated above is lies and below is the evidence to prove the Law Society are corrupt to the core.

Persures Panel lawyers are insured through The Master Policy by the same Royal & Sun Alliance, as your crooked lawyer you are complaining to the Persures Panel about.

It is just like the poor farmer who committed suicide, Phillip Yelland sent him to a law firm which represented the Legal Defence Union, to claim the Master Policy because his crooked lawyer had ruined the farmers finances. How is that for corruption?

The Legal Defence Union are also insured by Royal & Sun Alliance. Lawyers are good at seeing what they want to see, they cover up facts which incriminate their own.

Anonymous said...

Hard cheese from Jane Irvine again.So what actually gets her motivated enough to help the victims of crooked lawyers if clients suicide doesn't do it ?
I'd also ask the same question of the rest on the slcc.

Anonymous said...

Worrying to put it mildly.Has any more been said since you wrote this posting ?

Anonymous said...

HOORAY ! MORE LAWYERS BUSINESSES IN TROUBLE :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8168225.stm

Peter Cherbi said...

Just to let readers know, after receiving several emails asking for more articles, I have been busy over the past few days interviewing people for further reports .. which will appear early next week.

The suggestions of some people who have contacted me for a forum are noted, and with help from several people I hope to be able to present some kind of online forum for victims of the legal profession and the justice system sometime next week.

Anonymous said...

Hard cheese from Jane Irvine again. So what actually gets her motivated enough to help the victims of crooked lawyers if clients suicide doesn't do it ?

I'd also ask the same question of the rest on the slcc.
3:02 PM.
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During war spies would have been put up against the wall and shot. I am not suggesting this should happen, but the commission was compromised from it's inception, by lawyers, yes spies there to protect the Law Society. How can politicians possibly have a complaints system with lawyers involved in the complaints process.

My view is that Jane Irvine should be fighting more for clients. I urge all people who have lodged a complaint about their lawyer with the commission, to let Mr Cherbi know how it is going. I do not expect much because their refusal to investigate complaints before October 2008, is a cover up strategy from the start. How many complaints have they received from 20th October 2008 until now? What about the criminality of lawyers over the last 30, 40 years? That tells us where the politicians loyalties lie.

Anonymous said...

I agree with calls for arrests to be made over this scandal but the lawyers and the insurer creeps will probably wriggle out of it.One law for them and another for us!

rules but not for the rulers said...

Probably the most comments I've ever seen on your stuff Peter so keep up the pressure on these legal thugs !

Anonymous said...

The Law Society of Scotland is a sinister organisation.

If Scottish Lawyers can put an innocent man away for the Lockerbie Bombing, they can do anything they want. A terrorist trial with no jury, the Americans paid the maltise shop owner who said the bomber bought the clothing wrapped round the bomb, and all the other things, too much to list here, a miscarrage of justice if you ask me. A trial without jury is sinister too, dangerous. Has the man in Barlinnie been made a scapegoat, so the real bombers are still out there?

Anonymous said...

I am pleased to know Margo MacDonald MSP, supports the introduction of McKenzie Friends in Scotland.

This has been legal in England and Wales for 39 years. Discrimination is illegal and Alex Salmond wants to break up the union for sinister reasons, one of which is to allow the Law Society of Scotland total power over the citizens of Scotland. NO Salmond, no, no, no, end descrimination no matter the financial implications for lawyers. The Scottish people are safer with McKenzie Friends than the legally qualified riff raff, protected by the politicians and the Law Society.

The lawyers mission statement, "Milk the Legal Aid, Kill the client". No Scottish lawyer acts in his clients best interests. Law firms do not exist, Law firms of criminals do.

Anonymous said...

The Law Society and MacAskill will fight FOI because they have too much to lose.

Justice against a member of the legal profession is impossible, because of the dirty fithy morals of people like Phillip Protect the Master Policy & lawyers Yelland. Well Yelland, how can you remain in your current role now, when you sent a man who had been ruined by one of your footsoldiers, to another criminal organisation The Legal Defence Union.

There is some beauty in self regulation and it is this. Those protected by it become complacent and arrogant, and believe they are invincible. No one is invincible, and no one is omnipotent, and your day is coming Yelland, exposed for the criminal that you are, a man who belongs in the gutter with the morals of Adolf Hitler. You can sleep at night because you are an evil man, who will stop at nothing to protect your subscribers to the £650.00 keep the lawyer out of jail card. A system that protects legal practitioners, by self regulating them is a system that is doomed to failure, because public trust in such a system is impossible.

Anonymous said...

The Rosepark fire, a dissolved partnership would still have to pay creditors, the Inland Revenue, but the causal link is broken by the courts to protect the insurers. Did the judge rule any monies owed to banks or the Inland Revenue had not to be paid? So the conclusion is simple, old people's lives are not important to the legal profession, end the partnership, and you end any possibility of the relatives being compensated.

Just like litigation cases which rely on medical evidence, the causal link is hidden, by corrupt medical reports so that the insurers are protected.

The medics and lawyers never fail to protect their insurers with the law of Delict by ensuring no link exists by,

Dissolving the partnership.

Ensuring medical reports never find employers liable for a breach of the duty of care. Criminals with stethoscopes and wigs. The lawmakers make laws which they can break with impunity, so people should remember that doctors. lawyers, judges, all share the same insurers as employers, so there should be no surprise to find out their primary motives are always to protect those insurers.

In the Rosepark case the law needs changed, so that a dissolved partnership does not prevent criminal prosecutions where evidence supports that, and damages being paid where prosecutions occur.

Anonymous said...

just read this AND the report you posted.

no mention of suicides in the press would lead me to ask who received a fat brown envelope to keep it out of the headlines ?

Anonymous said...

MURDERERS