Scottish Legal Complaints Commission is failing to use powers of reduction of legal fees in cases of complaints ACCORDING to statistics obtained by Diary of Injustice under Freedom of Information legislation, the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission (SLCC) is generally failing to use it’s powers to reduce or even nullify lawyers fees in cases where clients have made complaints to the regulator about poor legal services provided by Scottish solicitors.
The data obtained in an FOI response from the SLCC show that in the past year, the regulator used its powers over fees in a mere twenty one cases out of all the complaints made to the SLCC in the same time period, where the ‘independent’ regulator of Scottish solicitors can usually expect to receive around one thousand complaints from dissatisfied clients.
Do lawyers deserve fees for ruining a client’s legal affairs ? You decide. In the cases revealed to Diary of Injustice, fees demanded by solicitors were reduced by the SLCC in only nine cases, the largest reduction being £2000 and the smallest reduction a mere £58. Cases where the SLCC awarded compensation to clients totalled a mere eleven cases, where surprisingly the SLCC did award sums of up to £5388 to clients whose legal interests had been damaged by their solicitors, while lower awards of compensation amounted in one case, to a mere £150. The SLCC has the power to award up to twenty thousand pounds of compensation to clients but so far does not appear to have awarded any figure over £5K.
In other cases, where the SLCC has the power to nullify, or void the fees charged by solicitors to clients, a mere 5 cases saw clients relieved of having to pay their dodgy lawyers any money for work which ended up in a complaint to the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission.
The figures make for grim reading and compare as poorly as ever to earlier figures the SLCC was hurriedly forced to publish in its 2011 annual report for the first time ever since it began work in 2008, after an investigation by Diary of Injustice found one client had been awarded a mere ten pounds compensation. The earlier report can be read here : Scottish Legal Complaints Commission forced to publish compensation data in annual report, reveals only 7 cases ‘fully upheld’ against ‘dodgy lawyers’
Commenting on the figures this morning, an official with one of Scotland’s Consumer organisations said she was surprised the SLCC had only considered action over legal fees in such a small number of complaints made to the regulator over the past year.
She said : “Clients of solicitors who are put in the position of having to make a complaint about their solicitor to the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission should make it clear in their complaints they feel the SLCC should use its powers to reduce or void fees charged by their solicitors. If the SLCC refuses to do so, or the client does not agree with the award of compensation or a fee reduction, the client should ask for a full explanation over how the SLCC came to it’s decision.”
However, a legal insider was more critical of the SLCC’s lack of action over fees charged to clients, accusing the regulator of failing to use its fee reducing powers in a manner more likely to act as a deterrent to crooked lawyers.
He said “If the SLCC were to use its powers to reduce or void solicitors fees in many more cases, it may act as a more powerful deterrent to solicitors & law firms who are failing numerous clients yet appear to be able to demand money from clients put in difficult circumstances by their actions, even after considerable failures.”
He also accused the SLCC of buckling to pressure from the legal profession in “numerous cases where fees should have been reduced or voided” after apparently secret representations were made to the SLCC by the LEGAL DEFENCE UNION (LDU) on behalf of ‘crooked lawyers’.
In a recent case, Diary of Injustice reported on how the LDU had intervened in the SLCC’s investigation of complaints mad about Kilmarnock solicitor Niels Lockhart : SCANDAL : Legal Defence Union intervene in SLCC investigation over £670K Legal Aid lawyer who made Pensioner HOMELESS, STARVED to pay legal bills and in another report, Diary of Injustice revealed secret links between the SLCC & LDU : Investigation reveals Scottish Legal Complaints Commission's links, secret 'off the record' dealings with lawyers lobby group Legal Defence Union
From evidence accumulated by Diary of Injustice, it appears to be clear that the Law Society of Scotland generally view the SLCC’s powers to reduce or void fees as a hostile act to its member firms, who continually bleat about poor finances yet expect to be able to charge clients the full whack even after ruining their legal affairs. Clearly the SLCC are reluctant to upset the Law Society in some of the cases, therefore this may also account for a lack of outcomes where fees have been reduced or nullified.
One case recently reported by Diary of Injustice where the issue of the SLCC’s reluctance to use its powers had a powerful effect on the complainant, was that of a William Gordon of Perth, who was sequestrated by Perth based law firm Kippen Campbell, who claimed they were due around two thousand five hundred pounds for legal services provided on a now collapsed medical injury claim in the Court of Session.
In the earlier report, Solicitors regulator blamed for failure to use powers on fees as accountants seize Disability benefits to pay Perth law firm for collapsed court case which also revealed Mr Gordon’s benefits had been seized by Glasgow based accountants Wylie & Bisset, acting on behalf of the Accountant in Bankruptcy (AIB) in order to pay back the alleged debts to the law firm, it was apparent that if the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission had used its powers over fees in complaints submitted by Mr Gordon, he would not have been put in the position of being made bankrupt by a law firm who effectively walked away from their client.
In the case of Mr Gordon, the AIB went further, attempting to seize two properties, orchestrating a plan to sell both to pay off alleged debts to Mr Gordon’s former solicitors, Kippen Campbell, which now total around six thousand pounds after the addition of several court hearings which Mr Gordon could not attend due to his ill health.
Diary of Injustice would like to advise consumers who are dealing with the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission : If you are making a complaint about your solicitor to the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission, whether the complaint is about fees, service or conduct, you should ask for more information on the SLCC’s powers to reduce or nullify fees you have been charged by your solicitor.
If, after the SLCC has made a decision on fees, or compensation and you are not satisfied with it, media publicity to the SLCC’s decision and your circumstances may help you have any decision looked at again, and may also help other consumers avoid using law firms who want to charge clients high fees even after ruining their legal interests.
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Why should lawyers be allowed to charge fees to a client after ruining their lives or cases?It's an utter disgrace even more so this supposed independent regulator is doing nothing about it.
And another thing where are the names of the firms who were forced to reduce their fees or had them nullified?We have a right to know to protect ourselves from these rogues!
An E bay feedback system is the only way to monitor these criminals. Honest Law Firms [if they exist, as rare as rocking horse manure] should have no problem with this, after all most other relations between parties want feedback these days.
The Scottish Legal Complaints Commission will never protect clients. It was never set up to do so. They claim thet are impartial and independent, so they are bare faced liars. The saying "clients need legal advice before going to a lawyer" should become "clients need advice from their potential lawyers old clients before trusting that law firm. Report after report by the DOI Team proves that lawyers or anyone sympathetic to them can never be involved in the complaints process or system.
Only clients can regulate lawyers. It will never work any other way. There are thousands of clients out there who will agree with this, I am sure. Self regulation creates serial criminals who repeat their crimes because there is no deterrent. This is what makes them rich and dangerous. Think about it, the value of your house, your health, your kids, are all affected by what lawyers do to families. And they want the complaints process to remain a secret process. Would you hand all of your financial business to a stranger in the street? Why should you trust a stranger in an office then?
In the case of Mr Gordon, the AIB went further, attempting to seize two properties, orchestrating a plan to sell both to pay off alleged debts to Mr Gordon’s former solicitors, Kippen Campbell, which now total around six thousand pounds after the addition of several court hearings which Mr Gordon could not attend due to his ill health.
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Sadly like us he has learned the brutal way. All you more fortunate people out there, listen to us. You risk more than you can possibly imagine when you trust lawyers. The lawyers scalpel will rip you apart and send you to hell. And then their complaints system will come down on you like a tonne of bricks.
Trust none of them. They never lift a finger against there colleagues who have ruined you.
The SLCC are bad as the Law Society who also stayed away from that whole cancellation of fees process (even if they found the lawyer guilty)
Wonder how people feel after finding out their lawyer is found guilty of misconduct or poor service yet they still have to pay for it (I can imagine some unprintable responses to this question!)
Keep up the good work Peter!
One case recently reported by Diary of Injustice where the issue of the SLCC’s reluctance to use its powers had a powerful effect on the complainant, was that of a William Gordon of Perth, who was sequestrated by Perth based law firm Kippen Campbell, who claimed they were due around two thousand five hundred pounds for legal services provided on a now collapsed medical injury claim in the Court of Session.
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Personal injury claims all collapse and we know why.
Never trust a lawyer.
"Do lawyers deserve fees for ruining a client’s legal affairs ? You decide."
I'm afraid my response to this question will be too strong to print.
Suffice to say "No" and well done for forcing Irvine and her mob to print all this in the first place.
About as effective as the FSA at keeping the banks in check with low fines easily made up in seconds or by ripping off other clients..
Still,the Law Society must be very happy with it,they get their way and the SLCC does sod all for anyone as usual.
Lawyers are bad to the bone. This lot must be very annoyed at the DOI Teams exposure of their corrupt ways. They say they are impartial and independent. Pull the other one.
Self regulation means everyone is a winner except the client.
The LPLA (Scotland) Act 2007 was brought into existence in order to 'CHANGE THE PERCEPTION' of the Scottish Public and the SLCC is part of that plan?
A fact which was made clear to the Justice 2 Committee at the time by the Deputy Justice Minister under oath?
The SLCC being just another name for the regulatory department of the Law Society of Scotland?
As this upheaval was brought upon the Law Society of Scotland because they were resistant to change their gravy slurping ways of corruption and deceit after an enormous amount of crooked lawyers were receiving a light touch that they have now made it their mission to cause as much damage and pain as possible to be meted out to the client victims of crooked Scottish lawyers, all in contravention of common law?
The Law Society of Scotland have since become an even more corrupt and criminal organisation than they were before and they rejoice in their attempts to kill off the victims of crooked lawyers like they have to Mr Gordon?
This is but one of many examples where the SLCC are so clearly biased against Scottish crooked lawyer's client victims?
Since it is so obvious what they are doing is unlawful, then why are the police not arresting them?
Given that the SLCC are statistically proven to be totally and utterly corrupt then it is obvious that only about 10% of victims will complain to them?
This system designed by the Law Society of Scotland is analogous to being raped and then when you walk into the road to wave down a police car for help and they rape you again and then drive off laughing at how they can commit such a heinous crime and get away with it?
Welcome to Scotland!
So the SLCC can serve 2 masters at the same time - The Law Society of Scotland and the Legal Defence Union.
The Public don't stand a chance.
The engineers of a perfect failsafe system with the sole objective of exoneratng crooked lawyers.
Domination with impunity sums it up. There are no internal cracks in this power structure. It is only those outside this failsafe system known as ruined clients that are exposing what is happening. They are so blinded by prejudice they are destroying trust between the profession and the public.
There is always a pattern in these cases.
1) Client approaches law firm.
2) Latter takes on case but does not disclose corrupt insurance arrangements.
3) Client sent to doctors and for the litigant and the defenders.
4) Everyone except the client is on the defenders side, which results in.
5) Royal Sun Alliance controls it all as the Law Society insurers, employer’s insurers, lawyer’s insurers.
6) Expert in ergonomics may have been sent to employers premises and refused entry. Client’s lawyer tells him she will seek a Court Order but never does.
7) Clients instructions are ignored and medical evidence always states Mr X "was unable to make a diagnosis" when Mr X knows the clients injuries have been caused by their employer.
8) Lawyer tells client "we cannot go to court because the medical evidence is against us".
9) Clients lawyer knew the outcome of the medical examination before the client was examined.
10) A Hamilton lawyer once told me cases like this never get to court. Your lawyer has always been against you getting damages. Cases like this always fall at the medical evidence stage.
11) If victim of legal and medical corruption {not using the word client now] goes to the Professional Unions, Independent Regulators they do nothing to protect him or her.
Never trust anyone in these professions. They have a system to make megabucks at your expense and they do not care if you die, providing you have paid your legal fees first of course.
There is always a pattern in these cases. I have no doubt their was a pattern throughout Mr Cherbi's case too where lawyer and accountant acted against him, [and stole his inheritance] just like the Law Society did, cover it up.
Look for the patterns folks they are there. Why have they done this to Mr Cherbi, and thousands of others.
As one commentator wrote "they do this because they know they can." The SLCC, Law Society, SSDT, are all there for them not us.
Regulator, a word which is a cover for corruption. When dealing with people in a profession or other group there is always the danger they sing from the same hymn sheet.
This is the essence of self regulation, a system created to protect the professions and as a consequence dish out massive severe injustice.
Dissatisfaction with Scots law firms. Wonderful this is what we want. Massive dissatisfaction is destroying trust and when that becomes widespread they will have ruined themselves.
No profession can keep ruining lives and not incurr the wrath of the boomerang effect. I hate all of the bastards, from the law student to the Law Society of Scotland, they are all clones who have the same attitude to the Scottish Public.
Have these fools never heard the saying "when in a hole stop digging". Scotland's lawyers are slowly digging their own graves where no nobody will trust them.
Self regulation removes the barrier between right and wrong. It is stating the obvious but the Law Society and SLCC do not want to control their membership. They believe ruined clients are superfluous or totally unimportant because there is an infinite supply of new clients. The SLCC and Law Societies are bureaucracies of injustice, they are fueling lawyer corruption because the lawyers know there is no regulation of their activities.
I am not being rude Peter but they did not regard your family as important, or mine or thousands of others. They hate your blog because they think "how dare he do this to us". Never it is shocking what Penman did to you. They are a network of law firms on the periphery purporting to help clients when they know no action will be taken against them when the client complains.
It is an extortion racket with 100% protection for the Penman's and 0% protection for the Cherbi's. If you read this blog and do not heed it's authors warnings you deserve all you get.
It is futile complaining to anyone in Scotland about a lawyer. A 1000 sheet leaflet drop is much more effective, because the law firm does not know who is doing it as they have ruined too many clients.
Control that Law Society and Commission. Christ I can smell their hatred.
This lot make a career out of corruption. Justice is expensive which is why lawyers do not provide it. It goes against their financial or reputational interests.
Piper's MacAskill play tunes, they do not get rewarded for ruining people's lives.
The lawyer knows he is not subject to the law, and by his colleagues protection can commit legalized torture and be free to treat the next client the same way.
If self regulation was regulation at all, the internet dissidents would not have appeared. The latter exist because they have discovered justice against a lawyer is impossible in Scotland. My advice is simple, only the dissidents will ever tell you the truth. Do not become a superfluous victim, learn from us.
Law Society of Scotland refuse to reveal details of criminal records of solicitors. While members of the public in England & Wales now have such information to hand, to assist in their choice of legal representatives, people in Scotland will not have access to such radical disclosure of solicitors criminal history, after the Law Society refused to publicly disclose any such details of the criminal records of Scottish solicitors.
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What a warning to those who trust lawyers.
If you are making a complaint about your solicitor to the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission, you will be fobbed off, lied to and untimately the lawyer will be exonerated. This is what the SLCC is for.
This what we have come to expect from them.
They think they are entitled to fees no matter what mess they make of people's lives. Utter gutter trash.
Kippen Campbell, claimed they were due around two thousand five hundred pounds for legal services provided on a now collapsed medical injury claim in the Court of Session.
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They want their money for a cover up. That is the way all lawyers operate, devoid of ethics. Evil vermin, waiting for their next victim.
No comments yet this must surely be a hot potato the SLCC pandering along to the Law Society and refusing to stop dodgy lawyers from ripping off their clients again after complaints have been made about them.
We need justice!
Anyone even contemplating going to the SLCC are simply asking for the knife in their side to be twisted?
An E bay feedback system for clients to leave their experiences of dealing with lawyers. Oh yes let the clients tell the public of their experiences and we will see the legal profession tumble into a black hole of their own making.
The more people find out what is going on the more trust will be erroded in the profession. The Law Societies and SLCC know this truth and are terrified of it. They have thousands of ruined clients out there. That is why they closed Solicitors from Hell.
SLCC and Law Society, how dare you treat clients this way. You are heading towards the tipping point from whence you will never recover. My kids are told every day, lawyers are bad people who will steal your money and they get away with it. Educate them young and the next generation will be very wary before walking into a law firms office. A political place where access to justice is impossible if you are the victim of a Penman, O'Donnell, or any other protected crook. Yes the lawyers seperate the public into those they will help and those they will not. Is this a system you want your children to inherit through no fault of their own?
Self regulation is uncontrolled power and that always leads to injustice. It is a facade for robbing people and blocking their access to a fair hearing.
When we witness the outright prejudice and hatred from these so called regulators this treatment should not surprise us. Members of the public will always come off worse when lawyer receives complaint about another lawyer. They set it up this way to stay out of jail. No member of the public can get a fair trial in Scotland against a member of the legal profession. The Court sided with Kippen Campbell. I believe the same would happen in a murder trial. Client would be jailed even if he was innocent and they knew it. They do not want us to know if Judges have criminal records.
Hardly surprising the SLCC dont want to use their powers of reducing/nullifying fees in most cases - because the legal profession fund the SLCC and will protest.
Nevertheless Peter,I agree with your point - lawyers who are the subject of complaints do not deserve to recoup their fees from clients they have let down.
Keep up the good work.
Invaluable advice again provided by Diary of Injustice I hope everyone making a complaint about their lawyer now follows.
ASK FOR ANY FEES TO BE SCRAPPED WHEN MAKING A COMPLAINT!
When a client can get their benefits frozen and the law firm and accountants are protected no client is safe.
Lock them up without food to see how they like it. Nasty wicked people.
Mr Gordon's case is further proof that it is nothing short of dangerous trusting lawyers. I can prove starving techniques have been used before in Hamilton. and they will be again.
I can hear Kippen Campbell's and AIB's phone calls, "cut of his money supply because no lawyer will act against us". This is the result of power without checks and balances. Tyranny.
A human being changes for life when they have been through the ringer these bastards implement.
People cannot reason with these maggots, they are unreachable, anti client, hostile and totally ruthless. They are so corrupt because they know they cannot be touched. They have engineered a perfect system that has one function, destroying clients for £££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££
Money and covering each others backs are what Scottish Justice is about. They are the ultimate human trash.
The figures make for grim reading and compare as poorly as ever to earlier figures the SLCC was hurriedly forced to publish in its 2011 annual report for the first time ever since it began work in 2008.
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Four years and millions of pounds and these bastards have done nothing to protect clients. THEY NEVER WILL.
I went to a lawyer eight years ago to ask him to sue my lawyer for covering up what happened to me. The lawyer said "I cannot investigate another lawyer". I said "you can but you do not want to".
This lawyer was hostile but he told me "you are no fool, I said "I know that, what happened to me was covered up." That day I told him "I will not go to another lawyer, I am wasting my time".
He will recognise the above conversation. Whether it is law firms, Law Society, Courts, Scottish Legal Complaints Commission, Citizens Advice there is a joke, they are all against the public.
This tyranny will never end unless the likes of DOI and Rick Kordowski's SFH keep spreading the word about what these people are, utter scum. You are doing a great job but in Scotland there is one set of rules for the public and another set for the lawyer scum. A profession that are so bad they sieze disability benefits are simply evil, evil, evil.
When a German after World War II said to Hannah Arendt who was Jewish "I am ashamed to be German" Hannah's reply was "I am ashamed to be human" such is the evil they are capable of. I have no doubt Scottish Lawyers could quite happily run the gas factories.
Well Peter I hear the Legal Establishment hate your guts. Well Martin Luther King said "the hater only hurts himself".
Their hatred is a result of their chronic immaturity. They ruin us and laugh about it and are reviled because we fight back. They are like a dangerous bacterium preying on their hosts. I hope thousands of law firms go down the pan during this recession. The more the better.
Clients, hand out leaflets with your law firms name, as well as complaining to these bastards.
Keeping the complaints within their offices ensures no one will ever know what they are doing to people. That is the foundation of their power, secrecy keeping ruined clients seperate. They are not clever but they are organised.
Leaflets are peaceful protesting, they cannot do anything to stop you if you keep to the truth, something these rats are incapable of.
Same could be said of many of these industry 'regulators' who take complaints from customers and then put them to bed without any compensation etc
No surprise the lawyers regulators are a particularly nasty lot!
Do lawyers deserve fees for ruining a client’s legal affairs ? You decide.
I know what they deserve but you would not publish it.
This evening a friend of mine pointed out a man in the street. He told me he was a defrocked lawyer. I said you mean his practicing certificate was taken away from him, so he cannot work as a lawyer. I said he must have been stealing from his law firm because lawyers who steal from the public always keep working.
There is nowhere you can go in Scotland that will deal with your lawyer. I believe that lawyers could murder people and the Crown Office would order the Police to cover it up. That is how much faith I have in our justice system.
If they want to starve people into submission why would they not murder? They are profoundly dangerous and untouchable. They control the whole legal system so can never be convicted as they would be ruining their own self interest. Noting could shock me about these evil people.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-19113374
The body that will probe allegations against Scotland's single police force will have powers to be "more intrusive" than the current system.
The role of the Police Investigation and Review Commission (PIRC) has been set out in a paper to the Northern Joint Police Board.
Under the present system, allegations against officers are investigated by another force.
That system will disappear when Scotland's eight forces merge in 2013.
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Having powers and using them qre quite different as we see here.
The greatest problem for me is not what the SLCC are doing although that is bad enough. The thing I find most difficult is trusting any lawyer in the first place. If I walk through the door of any Law Firm I fear my life will get substantially worse. It has happened once, same as Mr Gordon. I have the same treatment.
Take some preventative medicine, stay away from them. Split your assets amicably and never believe any lawyer who says they can sue your employer. That lawyer is a liar. You will get £0.00, I know I have tried it and have permanent occupational injuries. Lawyers and doctors are 1000 times worse than your employer.
Another routine occupational injury coverup, another tortured victim, and another Independent [so they claim] office full of liars. Do you know what is more grim than the SLCC and Law Society? The fact that people trust lawyers in the first place.
The Law Society and SLCC are there to crucify clients. They do not care if you die. All they care about is clearing your corrupt lawyer. The SLCC, Law Society need lawyers and lawyers need them. Taking away your lawyers practicing certificate means a loss of money for these bureaucracies. Clients are nothing to them. And self regulation saves others ever finding out that the Penman's are criminals so you can avoid them.
The Scottish Legal Establishment are a sham, who purport to be everything they are not. Honesty unde rmines Law Firms profits. Even with the DOI team on the case they still want to protect lawyers. They will never change, they are incapable of it. Only we clients can regulate lawyers. Complaining to the SLCC or Law Society is futile, total madness, it will get you nowhere.
http://www.intmensorg.info/ruleoflaw.htm
You want your life utterly ruined? You want your kids lives utterly ruined? Well the way to achieve this is to trust one of Scotland's scumbag judiciary. They are all the same, and the best way to minimise the risk to you is to avoid them.
They have designed a system where they know they will never be punished for their crimes. Analyse this case, a man injured at word has the injuries deliberately covered up. The law firm chase him via accountants for their fees because the court has allowed them to do so. These professions all have the same complaints structure, where the recipients of complaints are against the victim before they receive the complaint.
Lawyers and accountants have created a disaster for this man. Do you think your kids and you would be treated any other way. They are a radically evil network of hypocrytical scum who torture people for money.
And the final insult is that the Kippen Campbell's and the AIB's of this world are protected and your kids may be next. They are utterly dangerous, evil and as ruthless as Adolph Hitler. You have been warned by one who has walked in Mr Gordon's shoes. They are the ultimate human vermin who use and abuse human beings for money. Freezing bank accounts and starving people into submission is the way they always operate. Who will stop them from doing so? Another lawyer? What I learned and many others have too is they they are capable of anything, in my opinion even mass murder.
There will never be anything other than dissatisfaction with Scots Law Firms as long as they police their own. A client goes to their offices and the lawyer knows the client is rightless from day one. The lawyer thinks here is another sucker for me to make money from.
There will never be anything other than dissatisfaction with Scots Law Firms as long as they police their own. A client goes to their offices and the lawyer knows the client is rightless from day one. The lawyer thinks here is another sucker for me to make money from.
When it goes tits up you may as well send your complaint to the lawyers mother, because the Law Society and SLCC protect their judicial subordinates.
What we need is an emposter joining the Law Society or SLCC to hand over complaints data to the press. Just like MP's expenses.
Rule by bureaucracy where it is impossible to allocate responsibility for what is being done and impossible to identify culprits. Self regualtion in a nutshell.
What I know is that it is pointless complaining about lawyers in this country. Their system automatically goes into shutdown mode. If this were not the case dissident websites would never have been created.
All you victims out there, be participants, poster campaign's in your town, warn others, stop the clients going to these bastards. Target the supply side and do not approach the Law Society or Scottish Legal Complaints Commission. You are wasting your efforts in the wrong place. Do not go to your MSP or Citizens Advice, they are all in the Law Societies. Only you people can expose these bastards. What you have to ask yourselves is this. Can I live with what they have done to me? I want for the leaflets because they can do nothing about it.
Leaflets stating "Bloggs Solicitors stealing Mortgage Money". Stop that Scottish Legal Complaints Commission and Law Society. You cannot and you know it.
Go on complain to the SLCC or Law Society. You will get nowhere, we always protect each other.
Secret representations were made to the SLCC by the LEGAL DEFENCE UNION (LDU) on behalf of ‘crooked lawyers’.
"SECRET" This is the bedrock of their power to ruin you and they use it ruthlessly. Clients A, B, C, D, E, F, etc never get to know each other and they deal with all these complaints in secret. Methods outside their pernicious newtork are the only way to beat them.
Law Firms A, B, C, D, E, F, etc are never exposed as client ruiners, so the next unsuspecting client goes into their office as naive as a Lamb going into a slaughterhouse. People will never crack this until they work as a team outside the Law Society and SLCC. With lawyers what you don't know will harm you. And these offices of corruption want everything kept secret.
The Law Society and it's network will never change. Clearly Mr Gordon's torturers have no guilt for what they are doing so they cannot be anything but evil. You want change, work outside their offices with leaflets and posters. Otherwise their power will be used as a legal steamroller to ruin people for their fees. Utter rotten specimens of humanity.
Never heard of the SLCC until my dad had to write to them last week about his lawyer now he's been on my pc reding about how crappy they are so at least u well warned him hope u get results!!
http://petercherbi.blogspot.co.uk/2007/01/corrupt-insurers-of-scottish-legal_15.html
Check out the insurance arrangements and you will see what the public are up against.
Just a question,I made a complaint to SLCC last year and it was about fees charged over the sale of our house even though it fell through because our solicitor messed it up.We were not told anything about this power to cancel a bill you are telling us about so can I ask them again to look at it and do something because it is still stomach churning to me we had to pay the swine for what he did to us
Very good.If you are taking comments on this post I just want to say I support you 100%!
One thousand complaints or around twenty per week. I am not surprised they are not using the regulatory powers. Especially in recession they want to keep law firms liquid.
They are a group and all act in the self interest of the group. This is the reason self regulation is anathema to the principles of fairness. It is their system to protect their money and colleagues.
No client will ever be safe as long as it remains in place. I wonder how many people are out there today with their assets frozen to save this cohort of criminals. They do not even need to rig the jury because lawyers are that jury.
Apologies for the delay in publishing comments on this article.
# Anonymous @ 5 August 2012 15:50
If your dad wants to tell us about his case with the SLCC, please drop us a line at scottishlawreporters@gmail.com
# Anonymous @ 5 August 2012 16:32
Its worth a try although most likely the SLCC will send a letter telling you to get lost as they have made their decision.
However if you publish what the SLCC did in your case and the lack of information you were given during the complaints process, it may help other clients in the future demand the SLCC reduce or nullify any fees charged by solicitors who are the subject of serious complaints.
At the risk of being criticised by colleagues,I am surprised the profession have not made peace with you by now because it's advice like this you are giving out over challenges to fees that could help ruin a lot of law firms.
Yes lets publish the lot and see how this bunch at the slcc earn their money by turning everyone away from a fair hearing!
It is no coincidence that the greatest professional criminals in Scotland are the ones we cannot put in the dock.
As one lawyer said to me "the courts are not there for prosecuting dishonest lawyers". This lawyer's office was in Hamilton, South Lanarkshire.
You are all at risk, get educated said...
I WONDER OF OTHER PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A REVIEW OF THEIR OWN TERRIBLE EXPERIENCES AND TELL US ABOUT THE PATTERNS OF LAWYERS FAILING TO ACT WHEN THEY SHOULD BE. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS, THE LAWYERS ACTIONS ALWAYS FAVOUR THEIR COLLEAGUES OR BIG BUSINESS. TRUST NONE OPF THEM
There is always a pattern in these cases.
1) Client approaches law firm.
2) Latter takes on case but does not disclose corrupt insurance arrangements.
3) Client sent to doctors and for the litigant and the defenders.
4) Everyone except the client is on the defenders side, which results in.
5) Royal Sun Alliance controls it all as the Law Society insurers, employer’s insurers, lawyer’s insurers.
6) Expert in ergonomics may have been sent to employers premises and refused entry. Client’s lawyer tells him she will seek a Court Order but never does.
7) Clients instructions are ignored and medical evidence always states Mr X "was unable to make a diagnosis" when Mr X knows the clients injuries have been caused by their employer.
8) Lawyer tells client "we cannot go to court because the medical evidence is against us".
9) Clients lawyer knew the outcome of the medical examination before the client was examined.
10) A Hamilton lawyer once told me cases like this never get to court. Your lawyer has always been against you getting damages. Cases like this always fall at the medical evidence stage.
11) If victim of legal and medical corruption {not using the word client now] goes to the Professional Unions, Independent Regulators they do nothing to protect him or her.
The ebay feedback system will never happen because the Law Society and its lawyers will find a way to control it or infiltrate it just the same as that daft traffic light idea daft because on current evidence it'll have to show red for every lawyer out there!
Anonymous said...
The ebay feedback system will never happen because the Law Society and its lawyers will find a way to control it or infiltrate it just the same as that daft traffic light idea daft because on current evidence it'll have to show red for every lawyer out there!
6 August 2012 12:22
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If the Public set-up a traffic light warning system for Scottish Lawyers and all of the warnings were red, showing that these Scottish lawyers should not be trusted, then surely this is a simple easily understood system that does what it says on the tin and shows that it is working perfectly?
Whichever system is utilised by the Public in the Public Interest (as opposed to the Scottish lawyers vested Interest) is the only way we can protect ourselves from these criminals?
Furthermore, this client experience rating system will be self policing, as if a Scottish lawyer is genuinely good then any malicious rating by an opportunist client will be a very isolated event, therefore this objection can be rejected?
This experiential system is in harmony with the macroeconomic vision of supply and demand and the correction of a closed system?
Where a Scottish lawyer gets frequent and often RED ratings, then more and more members of the Public will avoid this Scottish lawyer forcings them to reduce their rates (£)?
If they continue to get RED ratings from members of the Public then they will surely go out of business and the Public would achieve in one foul swoop what the Law Society of Scotland and their wings the SSDT & the SLCC have been acting against for years?
Surely a win win situation?
When you sit down in front of your Scottish lawyer for the first time and begin to recount your situation to them, one of the first things they will enquire about is whether you are 'in funds'?
Once they have established that you are........then the rest of their writing on their pad is them working out how much money they can screw out of you and a list of what they are going to spend it on?
Anonymous said...
At the risk of being criticised by colleagues,I am surprised the profession have not made peace with you by now because it's advice like this you are giving out over challenges to fees that could help ruin a lot of law firms.
6 August 2012 11:40
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What you lot still cannot comprehend is that your day of reckoning is approaching fast?
The reason the Law Society of Scotland have not got to Peter and the DOI team is because they are so arrogant that the Crown Office criminals will protect them from having to comply with the law and that Peter & the DOI team are incorruptible, something with which Scottish lawyers cannot comprehend?
The Law Society of Scotland is about to be split asunder due to their criminal activity, throwing the Law 'Profession' in Scotland into utter chaos?
During this moratorium, Scottish lawyers fees will drop by around 75%?
Fortunately for us most of the population are as thick as two planks and lack the intelligence to understand your over detailed advice on fee reduction.
Did anyone read the last comment on Mr Gordon and the AIB story, it was Lloyds TSB in Perth who froze his bank accounts for four months???? Anyone who banks with this lot in Perth should consider moving their money to another bank with immediate effect.
Anonymous said...
Fortunately for us most of the population are as thick as two planks and lack the intelligence to understand your over detailed advice on fee reduction.
6 August 2012 15:38
I fear it is you who are as thick as two planks for exhibiting in public the obvious anti-client hostility typical of most solicitors..
Anonymous said...
Fortunately for us most of the population are as thick as two planks and lack the intelligence to understand your over detailed advice on fee reduction.
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You are a fool because what you are saying is that for the majority of the population you can swindle, steal, and do anything to them because they are as "thick as two planks". They are too stupid to understand. A shocking attitude from someone who considers himself an intelligent professional. This attitude you all have and is indeed the reason you are all in a mess now.
Trust no lawyer, the public do not need an LLB which is simply proof someone can do coursework and pass exams. So what. Geniuses do not do degrees. You are a pernicious deviant profession. But intelligent, I do not think so.
oops sounds like some lawyer is upset everyone making a complaint is going to ask for their money back (which they should be doing anyway)
Great to see all this in print so simple a point to make yet so effective!
Of course you all know what is going to follow from this one,right?
Tax avoidance in the legal profession and it is going on BIIIIIIIIG TIME,has been for years.
So what is going to happen when clients start telling all about how much they were charged and then it doesnt match up in the lawyer's accounts/tax declarations?
The SLCC is bound to know about this already so why the hush hush?
I suggest Peter starts a time team dig to get to the bottom of it!
Come to think of it this is probably one of the main reasons the SLCC find against a client complaint - in order to preserve the lawyers fees otherwise if its all reduced or voided the lawyers end up with nothing.
Anonymous said...
Come to think of it this is probably one of the main reasons the SLCC find against a client complaint - in order to preserve the lawyers fees otherwise if its all reduced or voided the lawyers end up with nothing.
6 August 2012 21:13
..Took you awhile to figure it out!
This is one of those little tips that could make a huge difference so go for it people and demand your money back via the crooked slcc.For one thing the more people they refuse to help the more corrupt it all looks..
I WONDER OF OTHER PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A REVIEW OF THEIR OWN TERRIBLE EXPERIENCES AND TELL US ABOUT THE PATTERNS OF LAWYERS FAILING TO ACT WHEN THEY SHOULD BE. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. THE LAWYERS ACTIONS ALWAYS FAVOUR THEIR COLLEAGUES OR BIG BUSINESS. TRUST NONE OF THEM
There is always a pattern in these cases, and an impossible dilemma.
1) Client approaches law firm.
2) Latter takes on case but does not disclose corrupt insurance arrangements.
3) Client sent to doctors and for the litigant and the defenders.
4) Everyone except the client is on the defenders side, which results in.
5) Royal Sun Alliance controls it all as the Law Society insurers, employer’s insurers, lawyer’s insurers.
6) Expert in ergonomics may have been sent to employers premises and refused entry. Client’s lawyer tells him she will seek a Court Order but never does.
7) Clients instructions are ignored and medical evidence always states Mr X "was unable to make a diagnosis" when Mr X knows the clients injuries have been caused by their employer.
8) Lawyer tells client "we cannot go to court because the medical evidence is against us". This is the stage the case collapses.
9) Clients lawyer knew the outcome of the medical examination before the client was examined. Any medical reports which identify the injuries are buried.
10) A Hamilton lawyer once told me cases like this never get to court. Your lawyer has always been against you getting damages. Cases like this always fall at the medical evidence stage. It is at this stage the client either seeks another lawyer and finds it impossible to get legal representation, and or the client complains to the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission or Law Society. Then he learns the legal system shuts down, there is no help anywhere for the client. He is in a trap he cannot escape from. His lawyers continue ruining other lives because no one can stop them.
11) Victim of occupational injury, becomes a victim of legal and medical corruption {not using the word client now] and this person is left to rot possible with permanent injuries. And if he is on disability benefits who will decide if he is fit for work? Doctors, another group it is impossible to challenge. You do not want to be in this position, in some cases suicide is the only escape.
Remember your children will be employed some day. If they get injured this will happen to them should they decide to go to a lawyer. Do any litigation lawyers disagree with this analysis?
Fortunately for us most of the population are as thick as two planks and lack the intelligence to understand your over detailed advice on fee reduction.
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I like your attitude, because some of those you consider "thick as two planks" may be motivated to distribute leaflets, posters about law firms. Oh we can ascertian from your attitude that you are the font of wisdom.
I think this posting is possibly one of your most important for awhile because most complaints come down to poor service and undeserved fees still being charged like in the case you reported of the man in Perth who was sequestrated by his former lawyers over a fees dispute.
So it follows everyone and I mean everyone now making a complaint to the SLCC/Law Society of Scotland has to make this a primary issue of their complaint (i.e. requesting any fees be cancelled along with full compensation for their losses) and if the SLCC/Law Society stumble or refuse to do it,all these decisions must be published along with the names of the solicitors/law firms etc
There is always a pattern in these cases. What about wills?
1) Client approaches law firm. He or she wants to make a will.
2) Lawyer creates a will for his or her client.
3) Client later finds out lawyer has siphoned off considerable funds from clients account. Client complains to Law Society or Scottish Legal Complaints Commission. They refuse to deal with lawyer because professional loyalty and corrupt insurance arrangements. Scottish Solicitors Discipline Tribunal. They regard the lawyer who stole your assets as “borrowing without consent”.
4) The client tries to find alternative legal representation, but Law Society has contacted all lawyers telling them not to represent the ruined client. Royal Sun Alliance insure lawyer through the Law Society Master policy. This never pays out because Law Society deny client legal rights. Law Society order Scottish Legal Aid Board to refuse legal aid for client to sue lawyer who stole money.
5) Crown Office control Police. They are not allowed to investigate your corrupt lawyer. Compensation for client is impossible, lawyer never prosecuted and client’s money is gone forever. The thieving lawyer is left to continue working so when you go to make a will the lawyer may have stolen before and got away with it.
6) The Conclusion. Theft of client’s assets is legal in Scotland. They have designed a perfect system where it is impossible for a member of the public to obtain legal representation against a lawyer, and without the latter you are blocked from Scotland’s Courts, and they have collectively taken your money and left you ruined.
DO YOU STILL WANT TO TRUST A SCOTTISH LAWYER?
Cant help having a laugh at the obvious flame bait comments from the upset solicitor however I have to agree with certain aspects of what has been said in that you have an uphill battle ahead of you if you are trying to educate clients to ask for a return on their fees when they submit complaints about legal services.Honestly some of the complaints I've seen in my time made me wonder if the person writing it had a clue what they wanted their solicitors to do in the first place never mind trying to string a few words together to complain about how they were treated and let down etc
Back to you for some ideas?
I am going to do exactly as you have said and ask for my fees back,will let you know how I get on and thanks for the heads up about it.
Anonymous said...
Fortunately for us most of the population are as thick as two planks and lack the intelligence to understand your over detailed advice on fee reduction.
6 August 2012 15:38
On the contrary I find Peter's reporting and advice very easy to follow but then of course I would because I have had to learn the hard way via the SLCC & Law Society who offer no help to anyone but lawyers.
Fortunately for us most of the population are as thick as two planks and lack the intelligence to understand your over detailed advice on fee reduction.
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So this is the reason you all provide poor quality legal services. You think clients are too dumb to realise they are being taken for fools. Some advert for lawyers.
Douglas Mill ex Law Society of Scotland President said
"The Scottish legal profession is held in phenomenally high esteem - everywhere except Scotland," says Mill. "It's not just the profession that's held in high esteem but Scots Law, the Scottish legal system and the Scottish legal profession".
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Douglas Scottish Lawyers are the pits, a mendacious group of liars, thiefs and torturers of clients. When Kippen Campbell and the AIB treat Mr Gordon like dirt and well as tens of thousands of other Scots you cannot expect anything other that contempt fot the profession. You lied to the Justice II Committee so this just proves my point that we have utter contempt for lawyers.
It is called the boomerang effect. As you sow so shall you reap.
Anonymous said...
I think this posting is possibly one of your most important for awhile because most complaints come down to poor service and undeserved fees still being charged like in the case you reported of the man in Perth who was sequestrated by his former lawyers over a fees dispute.
So it follows everyone and I mean everyone now making a complaint to the SLCC/Law Society of Scotland has to make this a primary issue of their complaint (i.e. requesting any fees be cancelled along with full compensation for their losses) and if the SLCC/Law Society stumble or refuse to do it,all these decisions must be published along with the names of the solicitors/law firms etc
7 August 2012 12:25
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YOU WOULD THINK SO, RIGHT?
Because this would be a logical in a fare and just Scotland, right?
However, I know a woman who's rotten Scottish lawyer f##ked up her case and the SSDT found the crooked lawyer guilty and fined him several thousand pounds and awarded that he pay her the maximum £1000.00 compensation...?
That was 5 years ago!
Now the Law Society have defied the SSDT legal decision and have refused to comply with the SSDT by failing to enforce their member rotten lawyer to comply and pay her and therefore are willfully committing a criminal offence?
They just disregard the law of the land and laugh in her face?
What can she do about this?
Anonymous said...
Fortunately for us most of the population are as thick as two planks and lack the intelligence to understand your over detailed advice on fee reduction.
6 August 2012 15:38
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"Thick as two planks"
This should be 'as thick as two short planks', as two thin planks are still thin....THICKO?
Your arrogance, along with your colleagues, will be your downfall as you collectively are so removed from the real world that your victims are living in that you will remain ignorant of your forthcoming downfall?
Thicko?
Anonymous said...
Fortunately for us most of the population are as thick as two planks and lack the intelligence to understand your over detailed advice on fee reduction.
6 August 2012 15:38
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This is unfortunately the off-the-chart low brow standard of the lawyers in Scotland who seem to be on a determined dive towards the bottom of the moral barrel?
It no longer is a 'profession' as our guest is happy to prove and it is only weeks away from Amageddon and collapsing in on itself?
Anonymous said...
At the risk of being criticised by colleagues, I am surprised the profession have not made peace with you by now because it's advice like this you are giving out over challenges to fees that could help ruin a lot of law firms.
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At last a lawyer with common sense, now those are rare.
I got another e mail today from a law firm to claim PPI. My reply was that I fear my life will get worse by trusting another lawyer, so no thanks.
Lawyers knew the PPI schemes were not worth the paper they were written on before they were sold. They were full of clauses the most pernicious one was "they will not pay Payment Protection Insurance for the first six months of unemployment". Tell me this, who can afford to be unemployed six months with a mortgage, utility bills, cars on higher purchase and a family to look after? Who are they trying to kid by telling people they are covered? I think claiming a PPI policy would be the same as claiming compensation from the Law Society Master Policy. Impossible. So now after twenty or thirty years of selling these crooked PPI policies now the lawyers want to help the public. That ir rich, oh no the lawyers will be.
As for reducing lawyers exhorbitant fees. I look forward to the DOI Teams next report on this. Great blog.
If any member of the Public are still using the Law Society of Scotland's SLCC, then they are just prolonging their existence?
With the ever increasing numbers of the Public learning that the Law Society of Scotland's SLCC is a sham organisation, it is only a matter of time (possibly weeks) before this the most corrupt of institutions ceases to exist?
Have the AIB been reported to the Police after they were caught out breaking the law after taking action following false legal advice from the Law Society of Scotland?
It certainly looks like there has been a concerted conspiracy against Mr Gordon with the players acting against his best interests being his lawyer, his opposition, the Law Society of Scotland, the AIB, the SLCC and Mr Gordon's bank?
Their combined concerted effort is designed to make Mr Gordon a helpless victim. To punish him and humiliate him and to destroy his life?
LIFE-STEALERS?
Has the DOI team considered going straight to the Law Society of Scotland Office Bearer implicated in this criminal activity to ask them for a statement?
Everything is stacked against the Scottish public. Very revealing and a stern warning to anyone who needs to use a lawyer. They are always regarded as in the right when the evidence points to the fact they are very corrupt.
They can steal clients money and then close ranks to stop any legal action against them. They have made stealing legal, because they do not enforce the law against each other.
Well actually I am happy the lawyers never made any peace with Peter because we all now know the truth of what happens when you go to a lawyer in Scotland (as in you are screwed and have your life ruined)
Thanks to Peter at least some of us will avoid the spiders web of some skunk lawyer out to rip you all off!
FYI I was awareded comp by the SLCC and still have not been paid so their figures in the foi are not accurate
So the SLCC took action in only 21 cases out of how many thousands of complaints they even bothered to call a complaint after their filtering processes?
A national disgrace and proof if any more were needed this is an industry biased regulator.
We should not forget that in Mr Gordon's Case, the Judge involved completely disregarded his Doctor's medical diagnosis in coming to a decision that he forced Mr Gordon to pay these crooked lawyers who had abandoned him?
Is Scotland a Society where the Rulebook has been thrown out of the window?
Are there no protections of victims by the Court?
Maybe this speaks of why the Judges & Sheriff's are opposed to everything in the Court room being recorded for the benefit of both parties to the proceedings, so that there are no more miscarriages of Justice?
A well known QC was interviewed on Radio Scotland recently and was asked was his conscience not affected by him represented an accused when the accused had admitted to him that they were guilty of the crimes?
His remarkable response was that he had no trouble sleeping well at night because for every crook that he knowingly got off Scot-Free, there were scores of innocent people sent to prison that were fitted-up by the Crown Prosecutors for no other reason that they can in the Scottish Courts?
Unbelievable but unfortunately true?
Anonymous said...
Cant help having a laugh at the obvious flame bait comments from the upset solicitor however I have to agree with certain aspects of what has been said in that you have an uphill battle ahead of you if you are trying to educate clients to ask for a return on their fees when they submit complaints about legal services.Honestly some of the complaints I've seen in my time made me wonder if the person writing it had a clue what they wanted their solicitors to do in the first place never mind trying to string a few words together to complain about how they were treated and let down etc
Back to you for some ideas?
7 August 2012 16:03
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Once again a remarkable disdain and lack of respect shown by a so-called 'professional' towards their client?
Yet more proof that Scottish crooked lawyers view their clients as CASH TREES?
Whereby, they take these clients in and cultivate them along to glean CASH from them for as long as possible until the client (CASH TREE) is depleted of money then the Scottish crooked lawyer dispenses with this client or pursues them for even more CASH that they know their client does not have out of vindictiveness and utter contempt?
There is a tsunami of bad karma rising up against crooked Scottish lawyers due to the years of criminality perpetrated towards their innocent clients?
I spoke to a lady from Larkhall this morning about lawyers. I advised her to look at yout blog Peter and Bentjudges.com so she can see what is happening here. She also has a relative who is dealing with a law firm right now.
I told her about your case Peter, wher your families inheritance was stolen which the Law Society covered up. My sister's case of occupational injury coverup, which has also happened to Mr Gordon of Perth. Utterly horrendous treatment and I warned her she is better knowing what is going on. She looked quite shocked when I told her about the Hamilton Citzen's advice court lawyer who advised the lady from East Kilbride to go to John O'Donnell who stole the name of a dead lawyer. She asked me why he was not jailed. Well the Crown Office do not prosecute their own.
I also told her about Ester Francis who Neils Lockhart from Kilmarnock the 670K dodgy Legal Aid claims lawyer represented, and forced this lady out of her home for a £100.00 legal bill. And the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission fined him £100.00.
If we all warn people we know, the Law Society and Scottish Legal Complaints Commission will be further damaged. We must destroy the reputations of these people which is just because they are crooks. Keep up the good work DOI Team. Thank you, so much for your dissent, and repeated warnings of the criminals the public have no defence against.
http://www.bentjudges.com/cheating_justice.htm
A one hundred old lady robbed. Lawyer who did it was sentenced to seven years imprisonment but walked free, BECAUSE OF HIS LAW LORD FRIENDS.
It is this profession that our so called Justice Minister Kenny MacAskill states "we owe a great debt to".
TRUST NO LAWYER, NEITHER THE LAW SOCIETY OF SCOTLAND OR THE SCOTTISH LEGAL COMPLAINTS COMMISSION. TRUST THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN RUINED BY LAWYERS [US] TO STOP IT HAPPENING TO YOU. WE HAVE RIGHT ON OUR SIDE.
Thanks for the advice will definitely ask for the fees to be nullified now I know they can do it and will let you know how long they mess me about!
Why don't the SLCC just give up?
The more people who find out how corrupt the SLCC are the less and less will go to them?
When you are already a victim of a crooked Scottish lawyer, why on earth would you go to the SLCC?
It's like using cow shit to wipe dog shit off your shoes......?
http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/lawyer-guilty-of-groping-young-woman-on-bus-1-2459144
Published on Thursday 9 August 2012 14:04
A lawyer has been found guilty of groping the young woman sitting next to him on a long-distance bus.
• Solicitor admits repeatedly fondling woman’s thigh in sexual manner during journey
• Man claimed he was not guilty as he thought she was enjoying it
Hugh Robert Wotherspoon was arrested at Tebay Services on the M6 last August after the German-born woman told the driver he had been repeatedly fondling her thigh on the journey south from Scotland.
At Carlisle Crown Court, the 54-year-old married solicitor admitted that he had ‘tried it on’ with the woman.
But he insisted he was not guilty of any criminal offence because he believed she was enjoying it as much as he was.
However, the woman said the only reason she did not hit him or scream was that she was afraid of his reaction.
The jury took just under an hour today to find him guilty of assaulting the woman by touching her in a sexual manner against her will.
Wotherspoon’s barrister Madeleine Wolfe said that as a result of the verdict Wotherspoon faced ‘a real likelihood that he is going to lose his profession and his work’.
She told the judge: “The consequences are far reaching - perhaps more far reaching for him than for others who come before this court.”
Judge Peter Hughes QC described it as “a very worrying case” but said Wotherspoon would not be going to prison.
He said: “I find it remarkable that a man of his age should have behaved in that way on a night bus from Edinburgh to London.
“I have become increasingly concerned by the nature of the offence and how he came to be in this situation.”
It certainly looks like there has been a concerted conspiracy against Mr Gordon with the players acting against his best interests being his lawyer, his opposition, the Law Society of Scotland, the AIB, the SLCC and Mr Gordon's bank?
Their combined concerted effort is designed to make Mr Gordon a helpless victim. To punish him and humiliate him and to destroy his life?
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My sister suffered the same conspiracy and I thank the DOI team for their courage and giving all of us an electronic voice. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Your blog means so much to all of the victims of these criminals. Peter knows from personal experience what they are. So do we.
Like Peter's case they united against his family by cutting off his access to a lawyer and legal aid. How dare they, they do not care if we die. They have proved that. Bur Law Society we will not die. We are uniting and when we do your days are numbered.
Big Glasgow law firm [we have all of the documents ten years on and written evidence from a corrupt GP] he wanted buried. They did the same to my sister and Mr Gordon four months without access to his benefits. They are utterly ruthless and I am convinced this the way they operate all of the time. Peter, my sister and Mr Gordon would have needed a lawyer to stop them.
I have said this before and we know the hell victims have went through. If the DOI Team can eventually build a database of ruined clients they would be great.
But this morning I say thank you again because we all have right on our side, and we will collectively clean up this faction of criminals. With clients regulating them, they can call themselves a profession.
There is a tsunami of bad karma rising up against crooked Scottish lawyers due to the years of criminality perpetrated towards their innocent clients?
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Yes and they cannot see it. They think their clients are incapable of reasoning. Uneducated monkeys.
Lawyers I love your complacency, so wonderful. Like Hitler when he said "invade Russia and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down".
People of Scotland when you go to a lawyer remember this. You will certainly be a victim because the lawyers think that intellectually you are still eating rusks and wearing nappies. No wonder so many people are having their lives ruined.
My repeated motto Trust no lawyer.
There is a tsunami of bad karma rising up against crooked Scottish lawyers due to the years of criminality perpetrated towards their innocent clients?
Yes my friend well put. They are destroying trust in their own group. People naturally are all different in size, shape, attitude but put them under a the umbrella called the Law Society and they all think the same. Protect lawyers and we can and will ruin clients. They are reaping their nemeses.
People are getting their lives ruined and the lawyers think we are all thick as two planks. Print leaflets and distribute them and drive the out of business.
My message is short.
Tell everyone you know to look at this web site.
It is a lottery and you do not want to be next.
Best wishes to all victims of lawyers, and I pray for those who do not yet know what these evil people are.
God bless.
Barrister, 76, who left partner for 25-year-old Oxford graduate insists her mother approves.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2186493/Barrister-Anthony-Arlidge-QC-76-left-partner-25-year-old-Oxford-graduate-insists-mother-approves.html#ixzz23BcLbIZR
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Even is she does [must be after a few bob] how long will you keep her? He must be a tough minded optimist. She must be desperate.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2186493/Barrister-Anthony-Arlidge-QC-76-left-partner-25-year-old-Oxford-graduate-insists-mother-approves.html#ixzz23BcLbIZR
Why don't the SLCC just give up?
The more people who find out how corrupt the SLCC are the less and less will go to them?
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Yes we must print leaflets, and hand them out. Only way to bypass those in an office.
Oh these assholes have power and this only works for them if we write to their Law Society. But we have realised we are wasting out time so we have to adopt an alternative strategy.
Leave leaflets on car windscreens, next door neigbours, in your sport centre changing rooms, car parks, anywhere you want, you choose even in your lawyers offices. Oh that will frighten the S**t out of them. IN YOUR LAWYERS OFFICES. S******g in their nest.
Save your stamps and envelopes. Use your printer ink printing leaflets. Complaining to Law Society and complaints commission is pointless, no it is madness. Cut them out of the complaints loop, warn everyone you know and together we will drive out the crooked lawyers.
The DOI team bypass the Law Society. You must do the same. Use any legal means to get the message out and ensure that these crooks get their day.
http://www.lcs-test.co.uk/srall.htm
http://www.lcs-test.co.uk/HomeNav.htm
Cut them out of the complaints loop
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Yes, according to the SLCC's own statistics and according to their actions exposed by the people's DOI team, they are clearly NOT doing what they are supposed to be doing, so the best way to deal with them may be to ignore them and starve them into capitulation?
No cases to deal with = No fat salary, no fat perquisites and no racking up big bills?
Instead, leafletting, a direct rating system or by reporting these crooks to the police seem like the best and fairest options?
Let's be honest the SLCC (being a part of the Law Society) were a doomed to failure effort and are now a DEAD DUCK?
If this was the U.S.A then Mr Gordon would be suing a number of dark actors and would be rewarded with hundred's of thousands of pounds in compensation?
Can the Serious Organised Crime Agency at the MET police not investigate this mob at the SLCC for acting against the interests of crooked lawyer's victims?
Kenny MacAskill you are doing to the public what the SLCC and Law Society are doing, looking after those who are above the law.
Bent SLCC and Law Society underpinned by a bent Parliament.
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