Wednesday, July 11, 2012

Lord President Lord Gill’s installation & speech: Will Scots “Victorian” justice system reform or remain a self serving fiefdom of vested interests?

Lord Brian GillLord Brian Gill Scotland’s new Lord President .. Is the reforming force with him or are we in for more of the same. SCOTLAND has a new Lord President, Lord Brian Gill, formerly the Lord Justice Clerk under the previous Lord President, Lord Hamilton. Lord Gill, as we are all very well aware, is generally seen as a more ‘reformist’ judge than his predecessor, not least because of the many harsh criticisms contained in the CIVIL COURTS REVIEW, a two year savage critique of Scotland’s antiquated Civil justice system which Lord Gill himself described as “Victorian model that had survived by means of periodic piecemeal reforms”.

Lord Gill’s speech at his installation as Lord President has been published by the Judiciary of Scotland website, and is reproduced here for those who are following the debate on reforming Scotland’s Civil justice system with a view to giving consumers a higher priority and wider access to justice, instead of what some in the legal profession have in mind, which seems to be more along the lines of fattening the profits of ailing law firms and restricting who can do what in our own courts, paid for at the end of the day, by taxpayers.

Lord Gill’s speech : Ceremony of installation of the Lord President and Lord Justice General

Speech by the Rt Hon Lord Gill on 26 June 2012 :

"The solemnity of this ceremony and the oaths that I have taken are a reminder to all of us of the honour and the responsibility that go with the historic offices of Lord President and Lord Justice General.

I am conscious of the example of those distinguished predecessors in this office whose judgments have illuminated and developed our law as a living system rooted in principle and adaptive to our ever-changing society.

It will be my task to be worthy of their example and to serve Scotland well through the work of these courts.

The Scottish legal system is about to embark on the most significant changes that have taken place in over a century.  The Parliament will now consider legislation for the creation of a Scottish Civil Justice Council.  In due course legislation will be brought forward to implement the main proposals of the Scottish Civil Courts Review.

There will also be major changes in our criminal procedure reflecting some of the recommendations of Lord Carloway and Sheriff Bowen.

The next few years will be a period of transition.  I am confident that the profession will adapt flexibly to whatever changes emerge.  I am convinced that these changes will be most effective and beneficial if all of us, for our respective parts, approach them with an open mind and in a positive spirit.

I hope that in this way Scotland’s legal framework will best serve our society’s needs.

This building has been my workplace for most of my life.  I would like therefore to conclude these brief remarks with a few words to those who work here.

First, a word to the administrative and support staff of the courts.   The complex process by which justice is brought to the citizen depends crucially on your efforts, which are too seldom publicly acknowledged.  I assure you that your work is valued and appreciated.  Recently you have maintained the highest standards of service despite the upheaval of the building works all around you and despite the volume of work that has been imposed on you.  I am glad that I am a personal friend of so many of you.  I assure you of my support in all that you do.

Next, a word to the members of the Bar and the solicitor advocates who practise in these courts.  Having been a practitioner myself, I know the stresses that you experience in your professional lives – preparing cases at short notice, meeting deadlines, arguing difficult points, and so on.  I know the burdens that you bear; and I shall try not to add to them. 

I enter upon the office of Lord President encouraged by the indescribable bond of mutual confidence that exists between the Bench and those who appear before it.  It is a bond that I shall respect and foster.

Lastly, I address my esteemed friends and colleagues on the Bench.  I am grateful to you for the supportive words that you have expressed to me on my appointment.  It is a privilege to preside over a court of such wisdom and learning.

This jurisdiction, through its judgments and through the work of the Scottish Law Commission, has had a powerful influence on legal development in the English-speaking jurisdictions and beyond.  With the help and support of you, my trusted colleagues, I hope to maintain Scotland’s reputation throughout the legal world.

It will be a privilege to be your President and your defender".

SCOTS JUDGE DISATTISFIED WITH VICTORIAN JUSTICE & COURTS SYSTEM

Lord Gill Lord Justice ClerkThe Lord Justice Clerk, Lord Gill, author of the Civil Courts Review. The Lord Justice Clerk, Lord Gill, in his speech to the Law Society of Scotland’s 60 year anniversary conference in 2009, reproduced in full here said : “The civil justice system in Scotland is a Victorian model that had survived by means of periodic piecemeal reforms. But in substance its structure and procedures are those of a century and a half ago. It is failing the litigant and it is failing society. It is essential that we should have a system that has disputes resolved at a judicial level that is appropriate to their degree of importance and that disputes should be dealt with expeditiously and efficiently and without unnecessary or unreasonable cost. That means that the judicial structure should be based on a proper hierarchy of courts and that the procedures should be appropriate to the nature and the importance of the case, in terms of time and cost. Scottish civil justice fails on all of these counts. Its delays are notorious. It costs deter litigants whose claims may be well-founded. Its procedures cause frustration and obstruct rather than facilitate the achievement of justice."

Readers can download the Civil Courts Review report in pdf format, from the Scottish Courts Website at the following links : Volume 1 Chapter 1 - 9 (Covers McKenzie Friends, procedures, advice etc, 2.99Mb) Volume 2 Chapter 10 - 15 (Covers mainly the issue of Class (multi party) actions etc, 2.16Mb) Synopsis (215Kb)

Diary of Injustice coverage of the Civil Courts Review from its publication to the present, and the pace of reforms to civil justice in Scotland can be found here : Civil Courts Review - The story so far

31 comments:

Douglas Scott said...

Not much mention of the public in his speech is there.I take it he is aware who is paying his salary,right?

also don't much like the following :

"Next, a word to the members of the Bar and the solicitor advocates who practise in these courts. Having been a practitioner myself, I know the stresses that you experience in your professional lives – preparing cases at short notice, meeting deadlines, arguing difficult points, and so on. I know the burdens that you bear; and I shall try not to add to them."

Law is a business.A money making front end for lawyers.Yet the courts are being paid for by the public.Us.Remember us Lord Gill,us ordinary members of the public who pay for something we should have access to when we need it instead of having to wait on the Law Society of Scotland determining whether it is in their interest or in the interests of maximising the profits of law firms that we are actually allowed into the court in the first place.

Put the public higher up your list of priorities Lord Gill and then people might just start respecting the courts instead of deriding them and the justice system as a whole.

Anonymous said...

Must be four years or so now since the Civil Courts Review so when are these supposed "reforms" going to happen??

Anonymous said...

"It will be a privilege to be your President and your defender"

Is this really the rhetoric of a servant of the People who is going to provide a solution to the endemic criminality within the Judicial system in Scotland, where the Law Society of Scotland and the Crown Office is a haven for criminals and where the Judges & Sheriffs themselves are shown to have a warped sense of judgement?

Words are very important my friend but so is action.....

You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem?

Which is it to be?

Are you going to be a defender of the wicked and corrupt or are you going to become one of Scotland's sons by seeking out the crooks within the system and jailing them?

The clock is ticking like to the rythum of a Mons Meg blast 60 times a minute.

History is judging YOU Mr Gill?

Will you act according to the law or will you be a judge in your own cause?

Anonymous said...

“Victorian model that had survived by means of periodic piecemeal reforms”.

Well cannot argue with that Lord Gill. The mythical ring of Gyges from Plato's Republic. A shepherd, Gyges found a ring and when he wore it and rotated the bezel he became invisible. He then behaved in the most unethical manner, seducing the Queen, murdering the King of Lydia and then he seized the throne. You know where I am going.

MP's expenses, they thought FOI did not apply, Lawyers operating behind a veil of secrecy, oh I am sure Plato would have recognised Gyges in all of them. Yes you all rewarded yourselves, and will always do so if we do not stop you. It is utterly incredible that a profession who handle clients assets operate invisible because all lawyers are the shepherd Gyges, they cloak their corrupt colleagues in invisibility by keeping ruined clients from their day in court. That is what the Law Society, Legal Defence Unions, SSDT, SLCC are for.

What defence does the client have? You have an awsome responsibility on your hands Lord Gill, we will judge by your actions. Magistrates have a great responsibility but when they can act illegally without severe punishment the law becomes meaningless. I wonder whether you will continue giving the lawyers their cloak of invisibility or will destroy the ring of the Law Society to prevent a man like Austin Lafferty and his twelve thousand Scottish colleagues from operating invisibily. I say Austin because he said his ideal client was an old lady with plenty of money, assets same thing.

Perhaps I should quote Plato's character Glaucon from the republic "it is good to harm others providing we do not suffer harm in return". A plaque could be made with these words and bolted adjacent to that infamous plaque of corruption "The Law Society of Scotland" in Edinburgh. The work of a two thousand year old philosopher is timeless.

Power is renewing itself. The dissidents are exposing that cloak of invisibility. My motto only clients can regulate lawyers in cyberspace. No lawyer will ever be able to see past the profession. That is the reason they are in the mess they are now.

Anonymous said...

“The civil justice system in Scotland is a Victorian model that had survived by means of periodic piecemeal reforms.[IN LAWYERS FAVOUR]. But in substance its structure and procedures are those of a century and a half ago. It is failing the litigant and it is failing society. [YES]. It is essential that we should have a system that has disputes resolved at a judicial level that is appropriate to their degree of importance and that disputes should be dealt with expeditiously and efficiently and without unnecessary or unreasonable cost. [MCKENZIE FRIENDS LORD HAMILTON DID NOT LIKE. NO DELAYS TO LINE THE POCKETS OF LAWYERS]. That means that the judicial structure should be based on a proper hierarchy of courts and that the procedures should be appropriate to the nature and the importance of the case, [YES] in terms of time and cost. Scottish civil justice fails on all of these counts. Its delays are notorious. [IT'S GOALS ARE ALSO CORRUPT. LAWYERS LOYALTY IS TO INSURANCE COMPANIES NOT THEIR CLIENTS.] It costs deter litigants whose claims may be well-founded. [YES]. Its procedures cause frustration [AND SUICIDES] and obstruct rather than facilitate the achievement of justice."

YES I TOTALLY AGREE. IT IS A SYSTEM WHERE THE CLIENT IS SHAFTED AND THE LAWYERS BANK ACCOUNTS SWELL.

IT MUST END.

Anonymous said...

His motives may be genuine however his attempts to bring in reforms will inevitably be thwarted by the same vested interests of the legal profession and those who do not want people getting into court without a lawyer.

MSP's condone lawyer criminality said...

One day a jury will ask the legal profession in court if any of them have criminal convictions. You see I got to a state where the torture of being left without rights means I do not care what they do to me.

In court the Judge is the manager, he or she is not and never can be above the law. And it cannot be right that corrupt lawyers and judges demand juries have no criminal convictions if the judiciary in court have. It is not Victorian, it is simply that those in power theink they should never be questioned.

Hume wrote that Magistrates must command total respect and when they respect is called into question the power structure is at risk. He also argued the state was to protect the weak from the strong, the violent from the law abiding. But as far as law is concerned in Scotland in 2012 the strong are abusing the weak for profit. I love political science and philosophy, they are my passions. They cut through the rhetoric.

When voters are denied legal rights because a lawyer will be ruined for life the weak are being ruined by the strong. And when the MacAskill's and Salmond's look away from this injustice they are not as the claim loyal to the people of Scotland. They are a stain on the word democracy because if we are not all equal before the law, powerful factions can do as they please. Voting means nothing Alex, but if you do obtain Independence it will be because those who vote for you fail to recognise what you really stand for, a bum dedicated to protecting MacAskill's faction of criminals.

Anonymous said...

The ideology is simple, we can do what we want with clients because we are our own judges.

If you people were on the receiving end of your decisions you would want blood. But of course that is what we expect from a criminal rabble who have had things their own way for far too long.

What the legal profession taught me was that after visiting many law firms and being repudiated because I wanted my lawyer sued
I realised that dealing with a lawyer in conditional. People have access to justice only if the case does not damage lawyers interests. So lawyers can treat clients like S**t. This blog is a direct stance against a system that exonerates criminals who belong in jail. Penman should have been jailed.

May our power continue to grow and smash that bent system of self rewarding protection, not regulation. Put bluntly only clients can control you bastards by avoiding the Penman's who are pure hypocrites. What would you want done to me Drew if I had been your lawyer and you were in Peter Cherbi's shoes.

Long live dissent, long live the renewal of power. If there was a well known naming and shaming system on the web like the E Bay feedback system many of these criminals would be driven out of the industry. The evolution of that system will continue so that criminals who hide behing their colleagues and bureaucracy will be exposed. If I wrote to the Law Society and got nowhere I would name the top man or woman of the society on posters and T Shirts, I would not name my lawyer oh no, I would name his protector. Name those at the top as criminals, then you may see some changes. I would print poster about you Mr Mill.

Anonymous said...

I seem to recall a lawyer/advocate suggesting at the time of Lord Gill's review of the Civil 'justice' System that a good many of the changes could be made quickly simply by the Court of Session employing an Act of Sederunt.

If that is an option I do hope Lord Gill is aware of it - we need several, and fast!

Anonymous said...

Remember, if you go to the SSDT website and look at their end of year 2010 Report, you will see what theft by Scottish Lawyer's is called by them?

'BORROWING WITHOUT CONSENT'

Yes, this is incredulous but true, go and check for yourself!

This is but one example where the Law Society & their SSDT treat Scottish lawyer's clients with utter contempt, which betrays their agenda which is to let Scottish solicitors off with a light touch and to humiliate clients at the same time?
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Yes I agree their phrases are designed to imply the lawyer has not stolen the clients assets. It is incredulous because if a lawyer had his car stolen by his client the courts and Police would not say "this person borrowed the car without consent". I can see it in the newspapers, Lawyers Porche was borrowed without consent so the courts have given the borrower a punishment, he can have a loan of the car for his holidays.

One of the functions of the state is to protect private property rights but lawyers regard clients as utter untermenchen [subhumans] and use their power of self regulation to hide their crimes.

One of the first laws of civilisation are that those in power want to use that power over others but not be subject to scrutiny themselves. 'BORROWING WITHOUT CONSENT' simply means that those judging the lawyer will be gentle with the punishment because he really has done nothing wrong. They are simply, a mendacious sick minded profession.

On a more serious note Heinrich Himmler regarded the murder of children with learning difficulties as doing them a favour because the Nazi ideology was to turn an economic problem [they regarded these children as useless feeders] into a medical one called euthenasia [bad spelling] so that killing them was based on compassion. The language used is critical in determining the outcome. Himmler did not see himself as a monster but a compassionate man if you see what I mean.

Anonymous said...

Lawyers are freaks, because they think clients should just accept their assets being "borrowed without consent".

Long live networks of dissent.

Anonymous said...

Question :
Lord President Lord Gill’s installation & speech: Will Scots “Victorian” justice system reform or remain a self serving fiefdom of vested interests?

Answer : It will remain a self serving fiefdom of vested interests as long as real members of the public (not some cousin or lackey of a lawyer) are kept out of the reform process (also including these bullshit consultations the Scottish Govt/Courts keep running and no one in their pay or profit ever listens to)

Anonymous said...

Well Lord Gill, it is quite remarkable how technology can be used to spread the word internationally about important issues.

Law firms are losing money and I have no sympathy for them. I have no sympathy for the Law Society and its network who are becoming the most well known faction of professional criminals in this country. If we go back to the enlightenment when political theorists and philosophers challenged the clergy we see the transition of power from the churches to the state or the people.

The same is happening now with regards to the legal profession with one major difference. Christianity is based on a story [no offence to believers] but hundreds of years ago people were afraid of the clergy which underpinned the latter's power.

Fortunately we have moved on and consumers of legal services are demanding their rights. There is something very wrong when interest groups like the Law Society can dominate policymaking in the legislature by MSP cowards who purport to act for those who voted for them. The MSP's of all political persuasions are Law Society puppets. In these circumstances campainers must use all available means to contact each other and put corrupt law firms on internet sites to hold them to account. Personally I think when the Law Society protected Drew Penman the man at the top should have been the target of the campaign. I would print posters of the top people in the Law Society and name them, not the lawyer who stole my inheritance. This is no critisicm of Peter, the DOI team are doing a wonderful job. Target those who are doing the covering up, then they may want to ruin the Drew Penman's of the Legal Services industry to stop what is in effect legalised robbery. If Penman had done the same to a bank he would have gone to jail.

Anonymous said...

Lets wait & see what happens.If nothing then you can write about it again and tell us how after so many years and talk of reform nothing ever happened.

Anonymous said...

"Penman should have been hauled before the SSDT and we may have been free of Cherbi a lot time ago".

22 October 2007 18:14

He would have been told off for "borrowing without consent". That is what they call it, on the SSDT web site. The SSDT would have kissed Penman's arse just like the Law Society did and you know it

Clearly this solicitor was brassed off with Peter's campaign but of course the Law Society is much more corrupt than Penman [is that really possible I hear you all say]. The Law Society and its branches are simply staffed by criminals who think clients are unimportant and lawyers gods. I am at the stage I would print leaflets about a local law firm and distribute them because that would keep people out of that law firms offices. Oh I hear them now, harrassment, harrassment.

Bypass the Law Society with legal methods and ruin the law firm responsible for your torture. The Law Society specialise in extended torture because you will end up in a letter war you can never win. Every person at the Law Society shares the same self protective ideology Douglas Mill had when he lied to the Justice Committee of the Lawyers Scottish Parliament. Do not bang your head against an office structure where crooks like Phillip Yelland send you to a law firm who represent the Legal Defence Union. Go public in your town [at your lawyers office, posters cars, windows, etc where your lawyers other clients are. Now there is a perscription that will work. The greater their power the greater must be the dissent.

The police did not arrest me for naming and shaming a professional in public. I was not breaking the criminal law when they read the back of my T Shirt in the local Sheriff Court. The police officers liked what I was doing and said "it is his responsibility to take you to court for the message on your back". Well he never took me to court. I wore the T Shirt because I could not get a lawyer to represent me. The plain white T shirt with its black bold message naming him cost me £12.00. The professional involved in the corruption did ask me to "put it behind me". Because some rat in a professional union covers everything up you can expose it. The choice is yours.

Anonymous said...

If Lord Hamilton had stole my families money I would wear a shirt stating that. But he has not, I have never met him. I accuse him of no wrongdoing. My point is that no matter how powerful they are they are just humans, like clients and the latter have every right to expose corruption where it manifests itself.

Anonymous said...

Lord Gill will have the opportunity to make changes , but we have Peter to thank if he makes the most important ones.

Anonymous said...

Scotland’s Crown Office & Lord Advocate refused to prosecute FOURTEEN lawyers for legal aid fraud.
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A man appeared at Hamilton Sheriff Court. He was found guilty of £4000.00 fraud [think it was legal aid] of taxpayers money. Sheriff said this is the most serious case of fraud to come before the court.

Another case of MacAskill's Scotland where difference overrides justice. The fourteen Lawyers and the various Procurator Fiscals will be members of the Law Society of Scotland. Joe Bloggs was not so he ended up in a public court and the local press. It is not what you know, but who you know.

Anonymous said...

One of the most ALARMING facts of Scotland's Judicial & Prosecutorial Service was revealed the other day when it was let slip that Scotland' Police are different to the Police in the rest of the UK?

In the rest of the UK the Police are allowed to root out criminality by following the evidence wherever it leads them until they catch the criminals?

In Scotland, the Police are only allowed to investigate where they are told to by the Crown Office & Procurator Fiscals Office (i.e. Scottish lawyers)?

Thereby, Scottish lawyers dictate to the police who in Society gets investigated and so prosecuted?

No wonder Scottish lawyers are above the law when we have mendacious lawyers interfering in the Police's function?

This is a recipe for endemic corruption?

The Scottish Crown Office abandoned 452 cases each and every day last year?

Out of this number, how many were crooked Scottish lawyers and pals of the Crown Office or people out of whom they have garnered favour?

It is not negligent to give up on/ gerrymander 452 cases every day it is called CORRUPTION?

Anonymous said...

Is it possible that Lord Gill said what he thought the dimwitted SMP's wanted so as to secure the job of Lord Advocate, knowing that he had no intention of achieving real reform?

Anonymous said...

This is very important:-

The SSDT (Scottish Solicitors Discipline Tribunal), affectionately referred to by Scottish Lawyers as the Edinburgh Lunch Club, consider themselves a Court?

Indeed they place themselves in a hierarchy of importance as ABOVE the Court of Session but below the Hi Court?

The SSDT have a statutory role in Scotland in order to protect the Scottish Public from Crooked Scottish lawyers?

However, if you go onto their website and click on their 2010 Report you will find a reference to theft by Scottish Lawyers being referred to as 'BORROWING WITHOUT CONSENT'

So, when your case goes to the SSDT, knowing that there is a prime fačie case of theft perpetrated by your crooked lawyer and you expect, quite reasonably, that your crooked lawyer is served with justice according to law and according to the Statutory authority placed in the SSDT to discipline this lawyer to set an example so that this unlawful behaviour is stamped-out?

Any normal member of the public would expect this in a democratic country like Scotland?

But what happens?

The SSDT say that your crooked Scottish lawyer did not steal your money afteral?

Instead, that your crooked Scottish lawyer merely BORROWED YOUR MONEY WITHOUT CONSENT?

This ladies and gentlemen is a specific prime facie case of a criminal offence committed by the SSDT, showing that the SSDT are happy to subvert the course of justice in order to give a light touch to their member lawyers and to humiliate and damage you in the process for having the temerity and cheek to think that you (a useless eater) have the standing to think you can complain against a Scottish lawyer, who is echelons above you....?

How can a court (how they refer to themselves remember) change the facts where a crooked Scottish lawyer is guilty of theft and change this to BORROWING WITHOUT CONSENT?

This is only possible in Scotland such is the criminality of Scotland's legal fraternity?

Check for yourself, half way down page 7 !!!!!!!

http://www.ssdt.org.uk/reports/resources/AnnualReport_Final%20Draft.pdf

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"Penman should have been hauled before the SSDT and we may have been free of Cherbi a lot time ago".

22 October 2007 18:14

Note citizens, the creepy, snidey, smelly, bleating Scottish crooked lawyer?

Notice too the irony where they advocate one of his brethren, the infamous Penman, being put before the SSDT and that somehow this would have served justice to Penman and of course to Scotland's son Mr Peter Cherbi's?

Of course, this ridiculous crooked Scottish lawyer knows about the SSDT's criminal behaviour towards giving Scottish crooked lawyers the softest treatment possible?

And of course they suggests using the SSDT because of their role in humiliating and damaging the victim, in this case Mr Cherbi?

Of course Mr Cherbi was victimised and when he went to the Law Society of Scotland for their help....THEY victimised him too?

What an overtly criminal gang you Scottish crooked lawyers are?

Iv'e got a better idea for the lame-brain who is clearly fed up with them & their fellow crooks from being OUTED by Mr Cherbi & the DOI team....

GO AN' BILE YER HE'D

(and the crooked Scottish lawyers do read this blog.....YOU can't help yourself can you?

Anonymous said...

meh well I think this lord gill needs to get out into the real world n spend some time with peeps instead of his judge mates

btw ur blog is kinda dangerous int'it? good ur speaking up for us peeps tho!

Anonymous said...

I have a cunning plan.....

Given that the Scottish Judicial & Prosecutal Services are utterly corrupt and have shown by their actions that they are incapable of acting in the Pulic Interest...

Why don't we the Scottish Public put together a a random grop of ordinary folk who can put together the framework of a system to be adopted by the Judiciary, courts and Crown Office?

If they fail to implement our new fair and accountable system then they are sacked on the spot so that someone with morals can take their place?

Simples!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Gill will have the opportunity to make changes , but we have Peter to thank if he makes the most important ones.

12 July 2012 13:20

I agree because of the help Peter gave me after my lawyer tried to pull a fast one over a property dispute.Mentioned Mr Cherbi and 2 days later we got a letter saying the other side was going to settle and the other side being our neighbour who just happened to be the brother in law of my lawyer!Also managed to get my file intact and a letter saying no fees were due just to get rid of us.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"Lets wait & see what happens.If nothing then you can write about it again and tell us how after so many years and talk of reform nothing ever happened."

At the risk of stating the obvious, many people are sick and tired of waiting for long since needed reform and want action, NOW.

Anonymous said...

How can a court (how they refer to themselves remember) change the facts where a crooked Scottish lawyer is guilty of theft and change this to BORROWING WITHOUT CONSENT?

Correct, a court can never be composed of like minded individuals because in the SSDT case they all have the same way of thinking as if one hundred persons thought the same way. By nature humans do not all thenk the same way but fill a so called court with like minded individuals and the client becomes superfluous.

At a more sinister level totalitarian regimes use terror and propaganda [to make everyone think the same]. Oh some dissenters may voice conflicting views to the regime but they will pay with their lives. The White Rose Group in Nazi Germany are an example.

Justice can never be attained when complaints systems are filled with persons who think the same way. If one of the SSDT lawyers had his car stolen would the courts say the theif "borrowed without consent". As you know the language used by the SSDT implies the Penman's did nothing wrong. But if Peter Cherbi was a theif and borrowed Penman's car without consent you can be sure the Scottish Judiciary would throw the book at him. Difference undermines the foundations of Scots Law. We see members of the public repeatedly treated like S**t and the lawyer's hand shaken by his colleagues. This my friend is what self regulation was set up to so.

Using SSDT ideology in a sexual context anounts to rape, "borrowing without consent" is the same as taking without consent. No wonder this profession are heading for the abyss.

Language is critical, the ideology if you have no job in 2012 is that one provider will take you from "social exclusion to social inclusion." I lost my job, does this mean I am not a full citizen of this country, potentially dangerous language in my opinion. Whether we are working or not we must always be equal in legal terms. This is another form of discrimination just like the SSDT, their view the lawyer has done nothing wrong. On unemployment I am a leper, outside the political community.

Anonymous said...

Borrowing without consent, now we know why the fourteen lawyers helping themself to Legal Aid faced no charges. The whole judiciary think this way.


THE LAW SOCIETY OF SCOTLAND LOVE MR SALMOND, A MAN WHO BLAMES THE UK FOR ALL SCOTLAND'S ILLS WHEN HE [HIS NOBLES, THE LAWYERS] [NOT OURS] CONTROL EVERYTHING LEGAL SO THE LAW SOCIETY CAN CONTINUE TO RUIN INNOCENT SCOTS WHO VOTED FOR MSP's.

By voting for an MSP's you are voting to maintain Law Society power, and are voting to maintain a dictatorship dressed as a democracy. Shame on you MSP's every one of you.

Anonymous said...

Franky boy Mulholland says to the infamous 14, 'Tell me, most infamous 14 of my crooked brethren Scottish lawyers, did you defraud the Scottish People of £Millions from the SLAB, OR, did you simply borrow said £Millions without consent?'

...'Think carefully now, as your fate will be determined by your answers'

...'Well my crooked brethren, what is your answer?'

The infamous 14 crooked Scottish lawyers answered as one in a creepy rhyme, 'Oh crooked of crookedness, we are true liers and deceivers of the Scottish People, pray, we borrowed said £Millions without consent?'

Franky boy then says, 'Well, what have you got to say for your actions?'

The crooked 14 (again in their creepy rhyme) said, 'Can we PLEASE borrow without consent?'

(laughter)

FB, 'Well said my most infamous of crooked Scottish lawyer brethren, of course you can borrow without consent....you are all Scottish lawyers afterall....Please feel free to fill your boots as often and as overtly as you can from the SLAB legal aid fund, afterall we at the Crown Office refer to the SLAB legal aid fund as The Scottish Lawyer's Aliment Bung so that we can enrich ourselves from the State. Walk on, walk on and continue to sow your pain upon the peasants'

Anonymous said...

Just what incentive does Lord Gill have to change the status quo?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
meh well I think this lord gill needs to get out into the real world n spend some time with peeps instead of his judge mates

btw ur blog is kinda dangerous int'it? good ur speaking up for us peeps tho!

12 July 2012 19:55
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How can this blog be dangerous in any way, as it is providing the Scottish Public with a much needed Public Service?

When the Scottish Public are repeatedly lied to by the establishment and criminals are being allowed to act unhindered then the Scottish Public must have a resource to be able to discuss these issues?

Scotland is not a Police State..........YET...?