If there was a requirement that all members of juries had to be lawyers, judges, policemen, or their colleagues, appointed by the head of Scotland's Judiciary, would anyone think a fair trial could take place ?
How long, for instance, would it take the likes of Donald Findlay QC to point out one of his clients might not get a fair hearing because the jury was composed of Police Officers ? ... 5 minutes ?
However, this is considered the norm at the Scottish Solicitors Discipline Tribunal, when dealing with complaints & prosecutions against solicitors and there are no cries of lack of impartiality and no claims of lack of a fair hearing from the legal profession itself .. because lawyers prefer to be judged by their own, so they escape punishment of course. This has been the way complaints procedures have been rigged handled by the legal profession for decades.
The Scottish Solicitors Discipline Tribunal describes itself on it's web site as :
"The Scottish Solicitors’ Discipline Tribunal (SSDT) is an independent body which mainly deals with serious disciplinary issues that arise from time to time within the Scottish legal profession."
It then goes on to admit that "The Tribunal is governed by a set of rules (Scottish Solicitors Discipline Tribunal Procedure Rules 2005) which must be approved by the the Lord President of the Court of Session. "
Independent, but organised & approved by the Lord President ... a member of the judiciary, a lawyer, member of the Law Society of Scotland ... how's that for independence ?
In another bash at putting forward the impression of independence, the SSDT goes on to say "The Tribunal normally sits with 3 solicitor members and 2 lay members: solicitor members cannot also be members of the Council of the Law Society (governing body in Scotland); lay members are drawn from all backgrounds and walks of life. All members are appointed by the Lord President of the Court of Session – Scotland’s most senior judge."
Pretty thick stuff from the SSDT to give the public the impression they are independent, but reading of their endeavors over the years, or having experience of the complaints process of the legal profession might lead one to think the Scottish legal profession learned their trade on how to write rules for themselves from the Enabling Act of 1933 in Germany written by the Nazis.
"lay members are drawn from all backgrounds & walks of life" .. and " are appointed by the Lord President of the Court of Session" ... almost makes one squirm, doesn't it ?
This is the current solicitor & lay membership of the Scottish Solicitors Discipline Tribunal
If you want to be a "lay member" in anything to do with self regulation, be it the SSDT, the Law Society of Scotland, ICAS, or any of the other rather infamously corrupt self regulators of the professions, it looks like you have to sit on a few other self regulatory, self pat on the back committees too ... in essence, no brickies or plumbers allowed.
Oh yes - the experience argument ... you have to be an experienced lay member of the public to understand these complicated issues of law and how complaints are dealt with, etc ...
Well, that experience has produced cases such as this : Tribunal ‘had no power’ over lawyer who dealt in drugs showing a rather uneven call for increased powers when other more powerful cases before the SSDT in the past have had little attention.
or this : Council of the Law Society of Scotland v Gordon & Maria Thomson - in the case where the legal profession set up Gordon Thomson on false charges so they could take his business away from him (one of the legal firms I was using at the time a willing participant - Alex Morison & Co who 'cornered Mr Thomson's business on instructions from the Law Society) The powers of the SSDT were viciously used against Mr Thomson in that case - used as a lethal weapon against one of it's own who dissented from the line from Law Society HQ in Drumsheugh Gardens.
or this : Lawyer slammed for lying to client - reporting on an item from one of my cases, where even to this day, the lawyer concerned is still battling with the SSDT over the verdict against him, which Robson successfully challenged .. and the SSDT sit back and do nothing of course, because it ultimately involves myself.
Easy to conclude then from the above, that the Scottish Solicitors Discipline Tribunal need replacing with something much more independent, accountable and transparent - because the SSDT of the past and present is nothing of these things.
What of the SSDT when the new Scottish Legal Complaints Commission comes along ?
Well, it will still exist, much as it currently is, biased, prejudiced, and lacking any accountability, transparency or honesty, unless further reforms come forth from the seemingly unwilling halls of the Scottish Executive Justice Department to do much on the injustice front so far.
Oh yes, I know it's early days of the new Executive .. we keep getting told that .. it's early days ... early days .. will they be saying that in 3 years time ? after a few more threatening 'open letters' from ex judges in the newspapers to the Justice Minister ?
Funny how the Justice Minister takes the time to respond by letter and even in personal articles in the newspapers to ex judges who still want to run the legal system, but can't be bothered to reply to victims of injustice seeking reforms in the obvious public interest
Should the public become more vocal or active in pressing home their cases of injustice and calling for & gaining reforms to the legal system ? Yes, I think we should..
Following story from the Herald newspaper on the SSDT calling for more powers, when it should really be abolished and replaced by something not concocted by the legal profession itself.
The story reports on a vindictive diatribe from members of the SSDT who are using the Angela Baillie case as an example for a call for more powers, to give themselves yet another reason to exist of course and fiddle complaints against the leading lights of the legal profession while castigating those who have already been punished by the law or have resigned their registration as a solicitor ....
Surely this 'call' from the Tribunal for more powers, is a good example on it's own, to get rid of it and bring in a replacement to accompany the now dwindling spirit of independent regulation of the legal profession ...
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.1531703.0.0.php
Tribunal ‘had no power’ over lawyer who dealt in drugs
STEWART PATERSON July 10 2007
A solicitors' watchdog has called for a change in the law after it was unable to impose an effective punishment on a lawyer jailed for drug dealing.
Angela Baillie was sentenced to 32 months for smuggling heroin and valium into Barlinnie Prison in Glasgow.
By the time the Law Society referred her case to the Scottish Solicitors' Discipline Tribunal, Baillie had applied successfully to have her name removed from the roll of solicitors.
The tribunal is concerned that it could only censure the former lawyer instead of the maximum penalty of striking her from the register and has called for a change.
It wants a member with proceedings pending to be unable to remove their name so that it can take action.
Baillie, of Birnam Place, Glasgow, was jailed in April last year for delivering a cigarette packet stuffed with heroin and valium worth almost £1600 to a man in Barlinnie.
The case came before the tribunal in December but her name had been removed from the roll two days after she was convicted.
In a written ruling yesterday, the tribunal expressed concern about lacking the power to impose an appropriate punishment. It said: "The offences to which Baillie pled guilty before the High Court strike at the very heart of the obligations of honesty and integrity which are incumbent on every solicitor.
"It is difficult to imagine conduct more calculated to damage the profession in the eyes of the public."
It stated it was "wholly unsatisfactory" that the tribunal could not show the public and other lawyers the "odium" they felt about Baillie's conduct.
The judgment stated: "The tribunal wishes to place on record its concern that it lacks the power to impose upon the respondent a penalty which it would regard as appropriate in the circumstances of this case, but is placed in the position of doing no more than impose an inadequate and ineffective penalty."
The tribunal called on the Law Society to take urgent steps to change the rules on such matters.
Once a name has been removed from the roll, the tribunal is only able to issue a censure or a fine. However if the person has been sentenced to more than two years in prison it is unable to impose a financial penalty, and as Baillie was jailed for 32 months the only option remaining to the frustrated tribunal was censure.
One possibility recommended is that a solicitor should not be allowed to remove their name from the roll when disciplinary action is possible.
At the trial, Judge Lord Kinclaven told Baillie: "Your case, like many others in this court, clearly illustrates the damage and devastation that can be caused by involvement with drugs and the drug trade."
"The quantities of the drugs made it plain they were not for personal use. They were for supply in the prison system generally."
He added: "You were in a position of trust."
Baillie had used the lawyers' consulting room at Barlinnie for the hand-over on October 23, 2005.
The prisoner she met, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, was strip-searched as he left the meeting and the cigarette packet was found.
Here's an earlier article from the Injustice Scotland website on how decisions by the SSDT have been appealed by Michael Robson, whom I referedd to in the Edinburgh Evening News story earlier in the article :
Strangely enough, we didn't hear any calls for more powers for the SSDT over the successful Robson challenge, but then of course, that would be helping me if they actually did do something in this case, so of course, that couldn't be allowed now, could it ...
The Scottish Law Society can make mistakes
Read on for an interesting article from "The Herald" Newspaper, where a solicitor who was struck off by the Law Society of Scotland has had the decision quashed by the Court of Session.
This is a complicated case, and one quite different from a previous case which saw a stitch up of a famous Edinburgh Solicitor - Gordon Thomson & his wife's legal practice, which was becoming too successful for other members of the legal profession.
The case of Robson, however, shows just how belligerent the Law Society has been in its pursuance of anyone who takes on cases against them. However, it should be borne in mind that when someone does take such a case on, they have the same duty to their client which all other solicitors have, and thus, if a case becomes 'too rich' or is difficult to handle, the client has to be told, and not 'led up the garden path', particularly on matters which may involve long histories of multiple failures by the legal profession and its members, or the death of loved ones at the hands of negligent medical practitioners. ....
Quashing victory for Robson
SIMON BAIN ‘The Herald’ November 29 2004
The Court of Session has quashed a decision by the Scottish Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal to strike off Michael Robson, a principled solicitor who challenged the legal establishment and took on a slate of victims of legal injustice – only to find himself overwhelmed by the demands on his one-man practice.
The opinion of Lords Kirkwood, Maclean and Osborne, that the tribunal's sentence was "excessive", will be noted by those observers of the profess-ion who claim that solicitors seen as "troublesome" by the Law Society of Scotland are unlikely to prosper.
Robson, 52, was a successful lawyer who set up on his own in 1998, and quickly became a "last resort" for clients whose complaints against solicitors had been turned away by other practices, and rejected by the Law Society of Scotland.
In 1999, he publicly challenged the Law Society's master insurance policy, now under investigation by the Office of Fair Trading, and criticised its complaints procedure.
Robson said the Law Society had "set up an insurance system which protects solicitors at the expense of their clients", while its complaints procedure was "the profession judging its members". Petitioning the Court of Session for a judicial review of one case involving misconduct by lawyers, Robson said then that the review "strikes at the fundamentals of the legal profession".
Less than three years later, his practice was closed down, and Robson struck off and sequestrated, following zealous policing of his business by the Law Society on behalf of demanding clients, some of whose cases the society itself had dismissed.
Robson had been a solicitor for 25 years with an exemplary record when he was reported in 2001 by the Law Society of Scotland to the Scottish Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal for failing to answer letters.
In January 2002 the tribunal fined him £5000 for profess-ional misconduct and said he could no longer practice alone. The tribunal, a body with legal and lay members, ruled that Robson could work for another firm – but only with the approval of the Law Society. Although two firms immediately offered him an unsolicited position, the Law Society refused to approve his appointment, pushing the father of four into a financial crisis, on top of mounting health problems.
In June 2002 the Law Society reported him a second time to the tribunal, citing his failure to answer further letters dating from the previous year – though by this time Robson had already been forced to shut the firm and make his three staff redundant. Robson pleaded for an 11th-hour adjournment, as on the day he was unable to attend and plead mitigation, but the tribunal refused.
The hearing went ahead on October 8, 2002 and Robson was struck off. The following day, he was sequestrated. He was subsequently diagnosed with a sleeping disorder.
In their judgment, their Lordships state: "We have taken into account the fact that there had been no complaint of profess-ional misconduct when the petitioner had been a partner in two law firms, and that neither of the complaints which had been made involved any element of dishonesty. The professional misconduct of which he was found guilty was undoubtedly serious, but we also have to consider the financial position in which the petitioner found himself as a result of not being able to be employed as a solicitor under supervision after March 2002 because (the Law Society) would not approve the firm which had been prepared to employ him."
The decision to strike Robson off had been excessive, "particularly having regard to the financial consequences of (the Law Society's) decision in May 2002 to defer considerat-ion of the application to employ the petitioner as an assistant".
Robson commented: "These (clients) were people whom the Law Society had failed to look after. Then they put the boot in, when you are trying to deal with a very complex situation. It is a bit rich. They dredged up everything under the sun, for instance they persuaded one person to make a complaint of misconduct against me. I had been a solicitor for 25 years and had avoided complaints like the plague."
In 2001 Robson took on a case brought by two bankrupted developers against the Clydesdale Bank. As an investigation by The Herald revealed, Graeme Duffy and Richard Crocket were only sequestrated as a result of the disastrous employment by the bank of Euan Wallace, a well-known Glasgow surveyor who was shortly to be struck off for life for serious professional misconduct.
Three years later, there is independent evidence that Duffy and Crocket's property assets in March 2000 comfortably outweighed the sum for which they were sequestrated by the bank, which therefore acted wrongly. The developers had at the time just launched a £3m damages action against the Clydesdale over Wallace's conduct. But since the demise of Robsons WS, no law firm has been prepared to take their case to the House of Lords, though Robson subsequently reported the bank and its solicitors for prosecution on the grounds that a false claim for bankruptcy had been lodged.
Such daunting cases, however, took their toll on Robsons WS, and on the health of its founder, who now works as a part-time tennis coach. The judges quashed the decision to strike him off, and have substituted a five-year restriction which allows him to work for "such employer as may be approved by the Council of the Law Society of Scotland".
The petition to the Court of Session also argued that the tribunal was "not independent and impartial within the meaning of Article 6(1) of the European Convention of Human Rights", partly because the Law Society both brought complaints to the tribunal and appointed its members. The petition noted that "the Lord President did not have power to appoint any solicitor member who had not first been recommended" (by the society), and suggested that a tribunal member's "prospects of reappointment would be improved" if he consistently upheld complaints.
It further pointed to the Law Society's own submission to the Scottish Parliament in June 2002 which suggested that the Judicial Appointments Board might nominate tribunal members.
The Law Society's response to the court was that this was simply one of a number of "suggestions as to how the tribunal could be improved". The judges concluded that because "solicitor members must be knowledgeable and experienced and the actual appointments are made by the Lord President", the appointment procedure did not detract from the independence and impartiality of the tribunal.
Their lordships dismissed all other objections to the procedure.
Their decision to amend the sentence on Robson was, moreover, reached "with some hesitation".
In an immediate response to the ruling, the Law Society played down the judges' ruling that Robson should not have been struck off. Reporting on the case, its in-house journal gave priority instead to the fact that the Scottish Solicitors' Discipline Tribunal was found to satisfy the "independent and impartial tribunal" requirement of the European Convention.
okay you persuaded me, this tribunal are a bunch of self congratilatory rogues.
ReplyDeleteReplace them with what ? a public jury type system ? the lawyers wont stand for that - much too open as you point out !
As a solicitor myself, I really should not praise you for your writing. However I cannot dispute anything you say about the way the Law Society treats complainers.
ReplyDeleteWhere do you get this stuff about the Enabling Act ? What an astounding comparison but not far off it I fear. You should team up with master Findlay. Speeches like those win cases Mr Cherbi!
Just checking your link to the SSDT members.They forgot to mention that pet poodles also get a membership badge.
ReplyDeleteWhat qualifies as a lay member with this bunch ?
J. A. Anderson, MBE
Member of the Tribunal since January 2002. Head of Professional Practice at the General Teaching Council for Scotland, former teacher and trade union official, graduated in law from Edinburgh University in 1991, Children’s Panel member since 1992, Chairman of City of Edinburgh Panel since 2000 and also an Independent Assessor to the Office of the Commissioner for Public Appointments in Scotland, Member of the Education Honours Advisory Committee.
Sophia Bain Ayre
Sophia Ayre is a lay member of the Employment Appeal Tribunal and a Consultant in Human Resources and was previously Human Resources Specialist with the Bank of Scotland and Polaroid UK Ltd.
P. Burdon
Member of the Tribunal since 2000. Retired actuary. Currently a lay member of Financial Services and Markets Tribunal and Pensions Regulator Tribunal, and an Independent Assessor for Scottish Executive and DfES.
Mrs E. Cameron
Member of the Tribunal since 2001. Member of Council on Tribunals and its Scottish Committee since 2002. Deputy Manager of Edinburgh Central Citizens Advice Bureau (1989 -2002) and Mediation Co-ordinator and Manager of the In Court Advice Service in Edinburgh Sheriff Court (1997-2002). Currently vice chair of Scottish Mediation Network.
Professor M. Chatterji
Member of the Tribunal since January 2002. BA (Bombay), MA, Ph.D. (Cambridge). Bonar Professor of Applied Economics at University of Dundee. Visiting Professor in USA, Australia, Mexico, India. Member of Advisory Board of BBC World Service since 1997. Vice Chairman of National Appeals Panel of Scotland (1996-1999). Member of School Teachers Review Body (England and Wales) since January 2004.
M. Hastie
Member of the Tribunal since January 2002. Chartered Quantity Surveyor in own private practice. Served as J.P. in Aberdeen since 1976 and graduated to the Bench of District Court in 1984. Former Governor of Robert Gordon University (1986-1998) Member of Aberdeen City Council (1973-1999). Various directorships in property companies.
Mark Irvine
Member of the Tribunal since January 2004. Mark Irvine is an independent consultant and works with a wide range of clients in the public, private and ‘not for profit’ sectors - both in the UK and in Europe. Mark was previously a senior official with the public services union, UNISON (formerly NUPE), acting as its chief negotiator and Head of Local Government in Scotland during the 1990s. Mark is also a member of the Scottish Local Authorities Remuneration Committee (SLARC) – a new body established by Scottish Ministers to review remuneration and pay arrangements for elected local councillors
Jeremy Mitchell
Jeremy Mitchell is a Council Member of the Telecommunications Ombudsman Service, and was formerly Chairman of the Scottish Advisory Committee on Telecommunications, Member of the Scottish Consumer Council and Commissioner for Scotland at the Broadcasting Standards Commission. His full-time career has been mostly in the field of consumer protection and his appointments have included Research Director at Consumers' Association ("Which?"), Director of Consumer Affairs at the Office of Fair Trading and Director of the National Consumer Council. He lives in Edinburgh.
Hi Peter
ReplyDeleteAnother shower of lawyers needing the chop from the looks of it.
Keep up the good fight !
Robson the guy on your mothers case ?What a piece of work.Law Society certainly have it in for you Peter.
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ReplyDeleteWhere did you get that ? if thats the list of ordinary people from all walks of life as lay members I could qualify as the pope !
No wonder lawyers get away with complaints.What a cheek this lot have of calling for more powers when they wont do anything with what they have.
ReplyDeleteBetter stories than the Hootsmon this morning !
Another fine mess lawyers have got us into.time Salmond and friends put a stop to this lot or you wee jocks wont be able to claim your own did anything for you after all.
ReplyDeleteYou can't compare a jury with these Committees Peter.They were a set up from the start, can't possibly have any normal people on them otherwise control of the situation would be lost by those managing it.
ReplyDeleteclearly another committee and its members that needs public exposure for their protection of lawyers
ReplyDeleteColorful life you have there Peter Cherbi of Scotland.All the makings of a cool movie - "Harry Potter and the odious lawyers" !!
ReplyDeleteSalmond is too busy stuffing the taxpayer with lavish purchases like Dumfries House to do anything on the legal system.Maybe the lawyers will 'rent it out' for their 'meetings' too.
ReplyDeleteSpot on with your comments Peter.The Tribunal has only came on strongly with this one because she's already had her name removed from the Solicitors Roll,
ReplyDeleteWho did she apply to for that ?
That would be the Law Society of Scotland of course, so why are the SSDT not calling for extra powers against the Law Society ?
Simple, because the whole thing has probably been arranged this way.It's just that people who don't understand the workings of the legal profession wouldn't pick up on it, and that seems to include a few thick journalists !
For all lawyers shout about human rights they don't allow their clients human rights when facing a complaint.Hasn't anyone had the balls yet to face one of these crooked bastards up and sort them out face 2 face or do we have to bend over to this mob just because they use the law to get away with it
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ReplyDeleteI was told to read your blog by an Edinburgh solicitor who is helping me with a case against the same lawyer who handled your late father's affairs.
Mr Andrew Penman of Kelso has cost me a substantial amount of money on a land sale and after I complained to the Law Society he tried to cover up his serious negligence.
I would very much like to share information and meet you if possible.Maybe what papers I have gathered will help your campaign.
anonymous re your reference to Dumfries House and Alex Salmond you are quick to call names but at least the SNP are doing something positive for Scotland not like Labour and their cash for honours gang why dont you all give the Scottish Government a chance to reply to these issues first
ReplyDeleteI have read your article very carefully Mr Cherbi and followed the links you present to support what you say.
ReplyDeleteI note that all the lay people on the Scottish Solicitors Discipline Tribunal seem to be involved with professions who also problems in regulating their complaints. I see Surveyors,Telecoms,Education,Courts Service, all well known for protecting their own against the consumer.
If we were to stack up these independent Tribunals together I surmise we would see a pattern similar to the problems you regularly chastise the legal profession for failing to address.
I'm sure Donald Findlay would put in a motion faster than the speed of light if one of his clients faced a jury of lawyers, policemen or the 'lay members' of the SSDT.
ReplyDeleteWell pointed out as usual.
Angela Baillie was unlucky.There are plenty more lawyers still practising in Scotland get away with a lot more than she was convicted of and everyone knows it.
ReplyDeleteOnly the British could come up with a committee like this ssdt and call it independent and let me emphasise British because you jocks are still part of the United Kingdom.
ReplyDeleteI doubt you would do any different if you go independent.Your nationalist politicians will be already used to the bribes that come from industry to keep everything as it is.
Fantastic blog Mr Cherbi and a warning to everyone I hope against using crooked lawyers in Scotland.
ReplyDeleteJust for your information we have the same problems down here in England too.
Perhaps you might like to emigrate down here for a new quest after putting Scotland on the right path to justice.
Hi Pete
ReplyDeleteJust checking in to see how you are getting on at the weekend.
Another case against that crook Penman ! Well don !
I wonder how many complaints he has against him- probably thousands !
Be seein u later
Mr Cherbi,you have some valid points over the conduct of the Law Society towards complainers but I'm sure you know there is little that can be said to the big guns in Edinburgh.
ReplyDeleteA great pity for the profession as a whole, that the obstinacy of a few individuals has plunged us into the worst position since anyone can remember.
What a lot of rubbish in the Herald on that Robson guy.
ReplyDeleteWho does he think he is ? He studied like everyone else and knew what was expected of him as a lawyer.If you can't make the grade with clients, don't be in the profession.
Just want to wish you luck in your campaign Peter.
ReplyDeleteCan't say I liked lawyers much but I like them even less after reading what they did to you.
Good start for a Monday morning to read your blog Peter.
ReplyDeleteNow I have to go out and deal with all these clients you are stirring up ! Such expectations of service you have created !
Nice one for you in the Herald today Peter.Your favourite crooked accountants over at ICAS are taking their ideas to China. http://www.theherald.co.uk/business/news/display.var.1546668.0.0.php
ReplyDeleteLets hope the Chinese get the rope out for those Howitt types when they catch them cooking the books !
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ReplyDeleteYou can't compare a jury with these Committees Peter.They were a set up from the start, can't possibly have any normal people on them otherwise control of the situation would be lost by those managing it.
3:44 PM
Right to the point whoever you are.
If people knew what really went on in the SSDT appointments process I'm sure there would have to be changes to the back scratching episodes we have been used to since it was formed.
bit strong against the lawyers aren't you ? although probably they deserve it after reading your postings
ReplyDeleteScotland must be a sin bin of crooked lawyers !
I made a complaint against my solicitor to the Law Society over fees he said he wasn't going to charge but doubled them.My complaint was prevented from getting to the SSDT.The reporter said in his investigation there should be a prosecution at the SSDT and I was told by client relations the Committee had agreed then they changed their mind after the lawyer had spoken to someone on the Committee.I don't think the SSDT would have done much after reading some of the things you write here but the lawyer definitely didn't want to go in front of it.If this happened to me and it happened to you a few years ago I wonder how many are in between and nothing has been publshed about it.The whole process was a waste of time and now cant get a lawyer to do antything for me.I don't think this man Yelland is honest at all after all our letters back and forward.Always twisted what I said and cut down my complaint many times.
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