tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post7755804724746820556..comments2024-03-24T23:01:57.640+00:00Comments on The Justice Diaries: PRIVATE PARLY: Questions raised of what really took place in private meeting between Scotland’s top judge & two MSPs over judicial interests transparency register petitionUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-69120766465730516032014-02-03T17:58:29.965+00:002014-02-03T17:58:29.965+00:00How the F##K can the Convenor say, 'Clearly th...How the F##K can the Convenor say, 'Clearly the numbers of Judges involved is few'?<br /><br />This is the reason WHY transparency is a non negotiable because none of us know which Judges and how many are acting properly?<br /><br />All we have had is Lord Gill's 'WORD', which according to the evasive way he has conducted himself to a Parliamentary Committee and Moi Ali, only serves to undermine his own authority and trust?<br /><br />That is until the Convenor & Deputy Convenor are now reduced to selling a compromise deal on behalf of Lord Gill to the rest of the Committee that is against transparency and is more to do with secrecy and unaccountability and is definitely contrary to natural Justice?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-34870878672480773922014-02-03T12:05:01.692+00:002014-02-03T12:05:01.692+00:00This was real cringeworthy car-crash TV. I feel so...This was real cringeworthy car-crash TV. I feel sorry for the two Committee men, they looked extremely embarrassed and contrite before the Committee, as if it was just donning on them that they allowed the good-will of the Committee to be taken advantage of and that they had themselves been hoodwinked into becoming anti-transparent themselves and that this was precisely the behaviour that the Petitioner is stating should not exist in a democratic and accountable State?<br /><br />However, it exemplifies the urgent need for the Petition to be supported as the Gill has demonstrated yet again that he is undemocratic and anti-transparency and believes he is not accountable to anyone, an attitude that is unbefitting of a Public Servant?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-54700694029118048682014-02-02T21:00:44.254+00:002014-02-02T21:00:44.254+00:00The Scottish Parliament's quiet acceptance of ...The Scottish Parliament's quiet acceptance of Lord Gill's breathtaking arrogance explains his open contempt for the Scottish Public's democratically elected representatives.<br /><br />The same politicians might wish to consider, in their more private moments of self indulgence, the words of Aeschylus; "who respects justice if he fears no-one". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-8215145628241257132014-02-02T12:59:22.257+00:002014-02-02T12:59:22.257+00:00Anonymous said...
Difficult to believe this happe...Anonymous said...<br /><br />Difficult to believe this happened in a state legislature but there it is on film. If one of our judges tried to make a fool of Congress or the Senate in the same way he'd have tv news camped on his door [YES INDEED AND RIGHTLY SO] headlines and be expected to hand in his resignation letter or retire same day. [THE SCOTTISH SYSTEM MAKES A MOCKERY OF DEMOCRACY, POWER RESIDES IN THE JUDICIARY]. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-15794892881336301652014-02-02T10:09:55.201+00:002014-02-02T10:09:55.201+00:00Just to let you know this is all over the Sunday n...Just to let you know this is all over the Sunday newspapers and the judges look like real con merchants.<br /><br />Well done!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-17919381824195874282014-02-01T16:41:45.732+00:002014-02-01T16:41:45.732+00:00This Precedent now means that we have a Two Stage ...This Precedent now means that we have a Two Stage Public Petitions Committee, were a person who refuses to appear in Public, saying that they are above the Public and instead subverts the democratic process by drawing a faction of the Parliamentary Committee into the secret fold of unaccountability and lack of transparency, to the effect that these two gentlemen have abandoned their democratic principles and have driven a wedge right through the middle of the Public Petitions Committee and have sided against the best interests of the People of Scotland?<br /><br />They have allowed themselves to be manipulated and coerced into undemocratic conduct, for which they should have the decency to resign forthwith?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-39033897995973762692014-02-01T16:22:43.997+00:002014-02-01T16:22:43.997+00:00Anonymous said...
Not much good as a judge if he w...Anonymous said...<br />Not much good as a judge if he wont declare his interests.<br /><br />What happens if someone accused of murder shows up in court and says he/she refuses to declare his/her plea and then all the witnesses refuse to declare their statements or if they are related to the accused etc?<br /><br />Gill wouldnt put with any of that so why do we put up with him saying no no no no all the time when asked about his interests.<br /><br />31 January 2014 21:00<br />------------------------------<br /><br />If I was Justice Minister, Gill would be sacked on the spot for bringing his Office into disrepute.<br /><br />This is conduct unbecoming of any Judge never mind the top Judge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-16321292441701470062014-02-01T13:27:21.536+00:002014-02-01T13:27:21.536+00:00Gill is on a mission to discredit the entire parli...Gill is on a mission to discredit the entire parliamentary process and the msps fell for it.They should not have had this private meeting at all and stuck to their guns of hauling him in for questions.<br /><br />Gill goes to other committees when he choses so they should have all got together and told him to show up rather than this very cheap grubby private party and all they came away with was nothing new.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-44190494728863543922014-02-01T11:54:26.894+00:002014-02-01T11:54:26.894+00:00Interesting you printed all those religious intere...Interesting you printed all those religious interests of the judges the other day and now it turns out from what the msp said this was supposed to be fresh news from the judge in the private meeting.<br /><br />A really disgraceful attempt to change events around just really to try and stop your petition in its tracks because you can tell from the way the two who met him were talking the main task was full steam backwards.<br /><br />Thanks to John Wilson and Mr Carlaw I do not think that will happen now and maybe they will call in the judge again and go ahead with your petition and this is the right thing to do not scuttle around in secret meetings with a judge who has too much at stake and willing to do anything to stop it getting out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-40595617307561595892014-02-01T03:07:53.186+00:002014-02-01T03:07:53.186+00:00Difficult to believe this happened in a state legi...Difficult to believe this happened in a state legislature but there it is on film.If one of our judges tried to make a fool of Congress or the Senate in the same way he'd have tv news camped on his door headlines and be expected to hand in his resignation letter or retire same day.<br /><br />I guess it proves you were right all along.Your judiciary are hiding interests so great it is worth the risk to treat politicians and your country with no respect at all.<br /><br />God you Scots really are in a mess with judges and attorneys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-17658687938700306442014-01-31T22:20:34.180+00:002014-01-31T22:20:34.180+00:00they came back from this meeting very tamed compar...they came back from this meeting very tamed compared to what said in the earlier video clips!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-23736579704431614832014-01-31T22:04:30.869+00:002014-01-31T22:04:30.869+00:00Anonymous said...
wow the beeb really missed ... Anonymous said...<br /><br /> wow the beeb really missed out on this one but they did manage to have a missing cat on Reporting Scotland tonight.<br /><br /> The powers that be must be so upset about the beeb's Lawyers behaving badly episode they have now banned any talk of Judges behaving badly!!!<br /><br /> 31 January 2014 19:29<br /><br />Yes a bit odd this one.Surely top judge beats pants off msps in private meeting is news so why no look in from the BBC?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-1871810900233639262014-01-31T21:44:46.340+00:002014-01-31T21:44:46.340+00:00Soooooo if the point of this meeting was to get an...Soooooo if the point of this meeting was to get answers from Gill about your petition and he tells them he declares his interest then they come back and tell the Committee he said it yet you told them months ago (I hope I have all that correct) then what was the point of the meeting in the first place and if I have this right what will be in this forthcoming letter that we dont already know from you?<br /><br />The msps walked into this one without thinking!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-49735143697436558322014-01-31T21:19:51.447+00:002014-01-31T21:19:51.447+00:00Perhaps they should have taken you along although ...Perhaps they should have taken you along although I doubt Gill would have agreed to it.<br /><br />31 January 2014 19:15<br /><br />Doubt it.From what I hear even the Petitions Committee have not let him speak.One of the SP staff say he can ruin careers in a sentence so cant see him being allowed to interrogate Gill.<br /><br />Reputation much?<br /><br />PS Dont worry Peter we admire you for it really!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-32278803699565170472014-01-31T21:00:12.847+00:002014-01-31T21:00:12.847+00:00Not much good as a judge if he wont declare his in...Not much good as a judge if he wont declare his interests.<br /><br />What happens if someone accused of murder shows up in court and says he/she refuses to declare his/her plea and then all the witnesses refuse to declare their statements or if they are related to the accused etc?<br /><br />Gill wouldnt put with any of that so why do we put up with him saying no no no no all the time when asked about his interests.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-34210382103993692812014-01-31T20:46:31.104+00:002014-01-31T20:46:31.104+00:00Well if the msps were duped with info they should ...Well if the msps were duped with info they should have stopped talking after the first sentence because the rest of their explanation about the meeting sounds, well,do I have to say it?<br /><br />I think others in the committee kinda feel the same as I do after watching that clip.<br /><br />Anyway if this private meeting was so good why were these notes not prepared and handed out for the others to read up on and raise questions rather than just sit there and listen to what the two other msps said?<br /><br />Breathtakingly poor organisation at the parliament.No wonder the judge is able to run rings around them.<br /><br />You are also spot on about Lord Gill doing the divide and conquer thing.His private meeting has the committee having a go at themselves while they should be having a go at Gill in public.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-67586334517732677932014-01-31T20:29:03.963+00:002014-01-31T20:29:03.963+00:00Dear leader of the Scottish transparency revolutio...Dear leader of the Scottish transparency revolution please be careful one of these loony judges dont have you sent off to GITMO!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-32939903945847568112014-01-31T20:01:16.863+00:002014-01-31T20:01:16.863+00:00@31 January 2014 19:15
Valid points .. however th...@31 January 2014 19:15<br /><br />Valid points .. however the petition itself is not really about creating some new never heard of before transparency procedure ... registers of interest are common and both MSPs attending the private meeting with the Lord President are themselves versed with the requirements of registers of interest declarations given msps are subject to registers of interest themselves.<br /><br />It is doubtful any legal expert from the Scottish end of things would have been of much use in a private meeting with the Lord President who is the head of Scotland's justice system and the courts.<br /><br />The fawning and slobbering puppy approach of any Scots based member of the Law Society dueling with Lord Gill would have surely been too embarrassing even for the MSPs to watch ...Diary of Injusticehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00697476580161690118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-75480723352270871112014-01-31T19:29:50.176+00:002014-01-31T19:29:50.176+00:00wow the beeb really missed out on this one but the...wow the beeb really missed out on this one but they did manage to have a missing cat on Reporting Scotland tonight.<br /><br />The powers that be must be so upset about the beeb's Lawyers behaving badly episode they have now banned any talk of Judges behaving badly!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-71378575314111286932014-01-31T19:15:15.777+00:002014-01-31T19:15:15.777+00:00With all respect Peter I believe you are being und...With all respect Peter I believe you are being unduly generous to the msps.<br /><br />The msps should have taken along someone with a legal background and an expert on the subject of declarations and registers of interest to give impartial advice on what questions to ask the Lord President.<br /><br />Now as things stand the msps appear to fallen into Lord Gill's trap and have given a not very credible account of their trip up the High Street to visit Gill in his own chambers.<br /><br />And really this is just not on at all.<br /><br />Why Chic Brodie and David Stewart agreed to this private meeting outside the premises of the Scottish Parliament I will never understand as it was always going to end this way with the best legal mind pitted against msps with no legal background.<br /><br />Perhaps they should have taken you along although I doubt Gill would have agreed to it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-53010917516753443062014-01-31T18:57:38.617+00:002014-01-31T18:57:38.617+00:00Only in Scotland!Only in Scotland!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-22110425985682996622014-01-31T18:49:25.016+00:002014-01-31T18:49:25.016+00:00It may well be MSPs attending the private meeting ...It may well be MSPs attending the private meeting were given the impression they were being handed information which was not overly obvious to them at the time ... <br /><br />Nevertheless there are now issues to be resolved regarding the notes,references to the limited declarations in the SCS 12-13 annual report which the Committee were already aware of, and just exactly what has been gained from this private meeting with the country's most senior judge in his own office ... the same top judge who selects which Holyrood Committees he attends and then refuses to show up when asked a simple question about transparency and judicial interests ...Diary of Injusticehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00697476580161690118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-13588696964889511262014-01-31T18:09:40.310+00:002014-01-31T18:09:40.310+00:00Instead of Private Parly it might well have been a...Instead of Private Parly it might well have been a Private Party.....with nibbles, generous quantities of Chateau Lafite followed by board games (Trivial Pursuit - see what I did there?) and Karaoke?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-65453050610853518802014-01-31T17:52:30.095+00:002014-01-31T17:52:30.095+00:00Lord Leveson had to appear at Westminster about th...Lord Leveson had to appear at Westminster about the hacking inquiry so why is this Lord Gill exempt from the Scottish Parliament??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-65963447886141159192014-01-31T17:44:12.657+00:002014-01-31T17:44:12.657+00:00Where was this meeting held?
Gill's private of...Where was this meeting held?<br />Gill's private office or mid flight during one of his diplomatic (haha,right) missions to the far east?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com