tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post4429465967731094836..comments2024-03-29T12:58:06.213+00:00Comments on The Justice Diaries: In-fighting, legal aid fraud, theft, & dishonesty typifies poor standards of Scotland's legal profession.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-64103518457584688902007-10-29T16:41:00.000+00:002007-10-29T16:41:00.000+00:00In the herald today it says the lawyer involved in...In the herald today it says the lawyer involved in this resigned i wonder why ? maybe you can find out some more Mr Cherbi -<BR/>http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/other/display.var.1790835.0.0.php<BR/>Lawyer implicated in theft quits<BR/>MARTIN WILLIAMS October 27 2007<BR/>A lawyer who is one of four men charged in connection with the theft of a £30m da Vinci masterpiece from a Scottish stately home, resigned yesterday as a corporate partner with his legal firm.<BR/>Executives at HBJ Gateley Wareing's Glasgow office were said to be shocked when corporate partner Calum Jones was arrested and charged with conspiracy to rob and extort money.<BR/>Yesterday the lawyer tendered his resignation and it is understood that he has parted company with the legal firm with immediate effect.<BR/>He was arrested on October 4 and appeared in court the following day, after a raid on his Glasgow office led to the recovery of the Leonardo da Vinci painting, Madonna with the Yarnwinder, which was stolen from the late Duke of Buccleuch's Drumlanrig Castle in Dumfriesshire in August 2003.<BR/>The 500-year-old painting was discovered in what detectives described as a "prolonged and thorough investigation". Mr Jones, of Kilmacolm, Renfrewshire, along with Robert Graham, 55, John Doyle, 58, and Marshall Ronald, 51, all from Lancashire were arrested.<BR/>An HBJ Gateley Wareing source said that Mr Jones, 52, a company law specialist, had been "embarrassed" by the proceedings. "The whole story came as a shock to the guys at HBJ Gateley Wareing who are top of the tree in Scotland," said the source.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-53867564073767393612007-10-09T05:46:00.000+01:002007-10-09T05:46:00.000+01:00beckythere are no good uns in the lawyers professi...becky<BR/><BR/>there are no good uns in the lawyers profession otherwise !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-60711716034405306572007-10-08T20:35:00.000+01:002007-10-08T20:35:00.000+01:00So where are the good uns from the lawyers club ?N...So where are the good uns from the lawyers club ?<BR/>No one stepping forward to clean up their colleagues act ?<BR/>Must be because they are all making too much money and cant be bothered.<BR/>Keep it up Peter.You have changed my impression of lawyers forever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-48455908292181565142007-10-08T18:58:00.000+01:002007-10-08T18:58:00.000+01:00re the last comment by "Iain McKie"People who have...re the last comment by "Iain McKie"<BR/><BR/>People who have suffered at the hands of the likes of whom Cherbi reports on should stand up for what they believe in and never give up.<BR/><BR/>The likes of lawyers and anyone in such a capacity will always be in an advantage to rubbish claims of injustice or delay a resolution because they build friends and relationships with the lawmakers themselves some coming from their own ranks.<BR/><BR/>Anyone who calls a lawyer or politician crooked is ridiculed or their life made a misery - that much is true and thats because the ones who are failing you are scared your comments become the opinion of the majority who at the end of the day pay these guys salaries houses and whatever.<BR/><BR/>Dont give up hope anyone here and keep up the fight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-56488563424751336832007-10-08T17:30:00.000+01:002007-10-08T17:30:00.000+01:00This comment came to be from Iain McKie, via email...<B>This comment came to be from Iain McKie, via email :</B><BR/><BR/>Iain McKie says :<BR/> <BR/>As ever these discussions put me into reflective mode as they reveal the pain and frustration of many of those who have suffered injustice and see little changing.<BR/><BR/>Since Shirley was subject to an assault by our justice system over 10 years ago I have had my moments of hatred for a system cynically bringing someone I loved to the edge of suicide.<BR/><BR/>I soon realised however that my hatred had been spawned by an anger and helplessness that was changing me into someone I did not want to recognise – I was becoming the major victim of my own negative emotions. I was effectively playing their game and doing little to change what was happening.<BR/><BR/>I was on my way to becoming the hatred filled obsessive that those in the system wanted me to be. My at times unreasoning anger was becoming a self-destructive negative force. <BR/><BR/>I say this because I wonder if there are those, who have not been as lucky as I have in achieving their goals, who in hitting out in pain and frustration might blind others to the validity of their claims. The danger comes when we lose credibility with the objective observer who has difficulty in accepting that our justice system and everyone within it is totally crooked.<BR/><BR/>I continue to be amazed at the bravery, determination and logicality of many victims of injustice in the face of our at times incestuous and uncaring system. This helps further their aims and says more about them that any of the negative self-interested posturing of those within a system that has totally lost its way and whose aim is survival and self-perpetuation instead of justice for all.<BR/><BR/>If my aims should fail or fall short I do not see myself as a loser, weak or defeated. My self-belief comes from knowledge that I have supported a cause worth pursuing and I suggest that those who fight injustice share that strength.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://shirleymckie.myfastforum.org/forum1.php" REL="nofollow">http://shirleymckie.myfastforum.org/forum1.php</A><BR/> <BR/>Shirley McKie: The Price of Innocence<BR/>by Iain McKie and Michael Russell<BR/>Out 18th April 2007<BR/>Priced £7.99<BR/>ISBN 9781841585758<BR/>For the first time, the full story of the worst miscarriage of justice in a generation.<BR/>Order direct at <A HREF="http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/displayProductDetails.do?sku=5604690" REL="nofollow">http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/displayProductDetails.do?sku=5604690</A><BR/>or from <A HREF="http://www.birlinn.co.uk" REL="nofollow">http://www.birlinn.co.uk</A> or on 0845 370 0067, free p&p in the UKDiary of Injusticehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00697476580161690118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-74140621214783742482007-10-08T16:32:00.000+01:002007-10-08T16:32:00.000+01:00You certainly have problems in Scotland Mr Cherbi....You certainly have problems in Scotland Mr Cherbi.It sounds like some 3rd world banana republic legal system you are living under up there and your own people now in Government not doing anything about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-86946953756264508782007-10-08T05:36:00.000+01:002007-10-08T05:36:00.000+01:00That video of Jedburgh you posted the link to - it...That video of Jedburgh you posted the link to - its creepy.Are those people all related ?Pretty weird stuff mate you did the right thing bailing out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-21681408104951886182007-10-07T23:43:00.000+01:002007-10-07T23:43:00.000+01:00#1 anonymouscrooked lawyers and crooked cops - whi...#1 anonymous<BR/><BR/>crooked lawyers and crooked cops - which is the worse of the two and is there any difference ? if a crooked cop plants evidence and a fiscal knows its bollocks yet prosecutes someone and puts them away on it thats a crooked lawyer and a crooked cop woprking together I dont see any difference between the two - as bad as each other and it happens all the time trust me i know and bugger all gets done about itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-40853722997961985922007-10-07T20:14:00.000+01:002007-10-07T20:14:00.000+01:00Big deal about the davinci.Who owns it now anyway ...Big deal about the davinci.Who owns it now anyway - the family or the insurers ?<BR/><BR/>Should be in a museum for all to see,not stuck in the bogs of Southern Scotland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-21212693009077474112007-10-07T19:53:00.000+01:002007-10-07T19:53:00.000+01:00royal commission would be good but who will sit on...royal commission would be good but who will sit on it.More of the same faces I hope not otherwise nothing will ever get done.<BR/>how about we import some judges from elsewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-31222182215227937252007-10-07T18:29:00.000+01:002007-10-07T18:29:00.000+01:00Following on from the comments by Peter and Iain M...Following on from the comments by Peter and Iain McKie above, I am reminded about this quote from yet another case of Scottish injustice at the hands of Edinburgh’s / Scotland’s elite, and all too often corrupt, political rulers – the current incumbents being all too familiar with, and involved in, the tragic case concerned: <BR/><BR/>"Extract from another shocking case … of Scottish 'fairness, decency, humanity, integrity, accountability and justice':<BR/> <BR/>The only conclusion one can draw from this most dreadful case is that Edinburgh’s (and Scotland’s) power base of elite establishment chattering classes (legal and political) is just too small and tight-knit (with too many contacts, alliances and cronies) to produce an honest, impartial, fair, unbiased and just outcome.<BR/> <BR/>All the protagonists were dinner party pals with social connections protected in their drawing room cabals. Everyone knew each other so the usual closing ranks, cover-up, self-protection, self-interest, vested interests, conflicts of interest and travesty of justice (conspiring to pervert the course of justice) prevailed throughout the case time and time again.<BR/> <BR/>The whole case / process should have been overseen and monitored properly, fairly, justly, humanely, objectively, impartially and independently, but alas there is no such thing when dealing with, questioning and challenging Edinburgh’s (and Scotland’s) elite establishment. It is (they are) corrupt, devious, incestuous and rotten to the core.<BR/> <BR/>I now detest this supposed 'great city and nation' (don’t believe the hype) as a result, and have done so for several years. You simply can’t seem to obtain any form of proper redress and civil justice here whatsoever. It’s truly sickening (literally) and despicable…<BR/> <BR/>That's why, regrettably, I must now leave my homeland at the earliest opportunity ... never to return (to live here) again… ".<BR/><BR/>What a damning indictment on our Scottish “justice” system and on Messrs Salmond and MacAskill … for allowing this incestuous, rotten and corrupt culture, and the many injustices they are all too familiar with, to continue.<BR/><BR/>Eternal shame on them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-25025499294147753492007-10-07T18:16:00.000+01:002007-10-07T18:16:00.000+01:00first anonymous comment - why do lawyers see them...first anonymous comment - why do lawyers see themselves as able to broker a deal between criminals and the Police/insurers/family owner for a return of stolen property ?Is that what they are teaching lawyers these days - play detective to get a gold star in the margin ?<BR/><BR/>How long did this lawyer know about it and why wasnt it reported to the Police immediately ?I presume some kind of tip off was made since there were other arrests but if the charges are dropped against the lawyer and it turns out he informed on those who stole the painting what are his chances then ?This was supposed to be a gang of 'hardened' criminals so they wont take kindly to being grassed up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-51391973834070066442007-10-07T17:32:00.001+01:002007-10-07T17:32:00.001+01:00Leaflets are a good idea.How did that one slip by ...Leaflets are a good idea.How did that one slip by you Peter ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-59417155883977066362007-10-07T16:25:00.000+01:002007-10-07T16:25:00.000+01:00#anonymous @10.36amAgreed. Simply reporting the me...#anonymous @10.36am<BR/><BR/>Agreed. Simply reporting the media coverage, as it's an ongoing case. No more, no less than that.<BR/><BR/>I welcome any stories relating to corruption in any public service, and from my own experience, I am well aware our boys in blue can be just as bad or worse than the legal profession.<BR/><BR/>Anything newsworthy on that line, and you can be sure I will pass it along for wider coverage ...<BR/><BR/>Any more details on the repatriation attempt of the Davinci painting, I will be interested to report and if the solicitors involvement is only of a remedial nature to hand back the painting, you can be assured it will appear here.<BR/><BR/>"Iain McKie @ 2.22pm<BR/><BR/>I totally agree with you, Iain, particularly in your following comment :<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>One of the major issues to be faced is that as a small country our legal and justice systems are controlled by a relatively small number of individuals and organisations. It is in some ways a cosy club where everyone is co-opted onto everything with the result power lays in the hands of a powerful minority</I><BR/><BR/>In my own experience of dealing with the campaign for independent regulation of the legal profession, coming up against organisation after organisation, I found the same people, same faces, same habits of protecting the guilty .. a terrible self perpetuating culture of injustice which simply has to be closed down.<BR/><BR/>I feel the Scottish Government should now be addressing this issue, which as you point out, is only adding to the weight of injustice which now burdens Scotland.<BR/><BR/>Time enough has passed for action .. we need solutions sooner rather than later.Diary of Injusticehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00697476580161690118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-3884839863617142322007-10-07T14:22:00.000+01:002007-10-07T14:22:00.000+01:00As ever Peter your diary reminds us of the severe ...As ever Peter your diary reminds us of the severe problems within our justice system.<BR/><BR/>In essence you highlight a system that is culturally bankrupt. It is not that all lawyers are crooks but more that the culture they operate within is incestuous and represents vested interests rather than acting with openness and accountability in all our interests.<BR/><BR/>What we are faced with at present is a new Scottish Government that shows signs of fixing some of the problems but unfortunately not the culture that perpetuates them.<BR/><BR/>I will continue to argue that their efforts represent first aid at best and that while the culture remains intact little will actually change.<BR/><BR/>One of the major issues to be faced is that as a small country our legal and justice systems are controlled by a relatively small number of individuals and organisations. It is in some ways a cosy club where everyone is co-opted onto everything with the result power lays in the hands of a powerful minority.<BR/><BR/>We have reached a situation where all our so-called independent organisations are subtly and sometimes not so subtly interrelated.<BR/><BR/>A major effect of culture is to ensure that those within it conform and that it is perpetuated. Potentially destructive elements within are rooted out. Whistleblowers are a good example of this and history is littered with those who have spoken out for the common good only to be sacrificed for the cultural good.<BR/><BR/>A broad ranging enquiry into our justice system is long overdue and should take the form of a Royal Commission or some other body with wide ranging powers. Even here the problem would be how to break away from the cultural constraints and ensure independence.<BR/><BR/>Until this is done your dairy will continue to prosper with more and more examples of a system that has totally lost its way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20722989.post-2161872154911896982007-10-07T10:36:00.000+01:002007-10-07T10:36:00.000+01:00Be careful what you say about the guy from HBJ Gat...Be careful what you say about the guy from HBJ Gateley Wareing 'stealing antiques', Mr Cherbi. I think you'll find, and rather soon, he was in fact involved in a legal attempt to repatriate the painting. The police just ended up arresting everyone in their typically blunt and unsubtle way. In many ways, I wish your blog turned its attention to their blunders once in a while, because the corruption in the legal profession is as nothing to what goes on with our boys in blue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com